I don’t think it’s the white walkers Trump supporters are worried about…
I think sheer stupidity is bipartisan, and is probably far more significant. I’m in a non-redneck part of NM, and I don’t have any perception that people are skeptical or rebellious here. But every time I go out I see incredible levels of stupidity, failure to grasp the simple concept of keeping a few feet apart and avoiding unnecessary contact.
At all my local supermarkets, while the cashiers are now protected in some cases by plastic screens, they still have people bagging groceries at the end of checkout lanes. At the self checkout yesterday, there was a guy trying to be helpful - showing people how to use it, standing almost touching them and handling all their purchases. In both cases, if the person involved is shedding virus, they could easily infect thousands of people in a few days.
It seems that my state (NM) has deemed businesses either essential or non-essential, so far so good. But if a business is deemed “essential”, there appears to be little to no supervision to ensure that they are operating intelligently. If infection levels rise to significant levels here I think we’re going to have massive levels of transmission via “essential” businesses like supermarkets. At least until enough people are dying that people start thinking more carefully about what they are doing.
Considering that one poster was celebrating the possibility of Trump voters getting sick and dying and that being a good thing, I figured the subject of the thread was moot anyway.
The latest projection for the Kung Flu is 60,000 dead. That’s an average American flu season. And regardless of what vaccines are available and what government flu shots are available (and I’ll trust a government flu shot only with a gun to my head) the flu will continue to kill around 60,000 Americans.
Without an economy, people will die. Without a tax base, without a way to pay for all those wonderful services out there that protect us, we become a self inflicted Somalia.
And 98 percent of all who catch the Kung Flu have a complete recovery. At some point the cure is deadlier than the disease.
Waiting around until the virus completely disappears is just plain stupid. And it’s dangerous.
Just keeping it real. Just presenting facts.
Create a thread and bash Trump supporters (who are the most intelligent people in America) and don’t be surprised if you get a little resistance.
That BILL OF RIGHTS is a real bugger, huh? Applies to everyone, not just idiots.
Those Democrats who stayed home did the country a favor. Hillary would have been an absolute disaster. We wouldn’t have had an economy to shut down.
This time around, there are some Bernie bots who have said they will be voting for Trump. If the Democrats are stupid enough to try to wedge Andrew Cuomo into a brokered convention, the Trump landslide will be the biggest in history.
I just read that a meat-packing plant near Calgary has 484 (!!) infections among the workers. They are an ‘essential’ business, and claimed to be following more hygienic procedures, but workers were ignoring them, and many were carpooling to work.
A friend of mine is working on a ‘necessary’ construction project at a remote site. 1600 workers, and they pack them on crowded buses every day and bus them to the job site. I’m waiting for that to hit the news when an outbreak happens.
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The Democrats already own that franchise.
Except that their WELFARE states gobble up most of that money. It generally balances out.
I’ve seen this same reasoning defect among people who follow RW media.
The flu killed from 24k to 62k (as I recall) during the last season with no social distancing measures.
Covid-19 is expected to kill 60k** with massive and unprecedented social distancing measures**.
Do you understand that Covid will kill many more people if we turn off the social distancing measures too soon? It seems like you think it’s exactly as deadly as the flu.
Say another 150 thousand die. Is that okay with you? How many people need to die before you care?
**The flu killed from 24k to 62k (as I recall) during the last season with no social distancing measures.
Covid-19 is expected to kill 60k** with massive and unprecedented social distancing measures**. **
It was originally predicted to kill 2.2 million. The number kept getting lowered and lowered to match a typical flu season. And the flu kills even though there are flu vaccines.
Do you understand that Covid will kill many more people if we turn off the social distancing measures too soon? It seems like you think it’s exactly as deadly as the flu.
The survival rate of the Kung Flu is more than 98 percent.
Say another 150 thousand die. Is that okay with you? How many people need to die before you care?
The first 150,000 haven’t died yet, in America. But destroy our economy (and right now, it’s down to Obama levels) and a few MILLION will die just from the place turning into another Somalia.
Blue states generally get less than they pay in, red states generally pay in less than they get.
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I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “Kung Flu” because so far as I know there is no disease with that name.
That said, the covid-19 disease death toll is current 44,000+ as of today. In comparison, last year’s flu total was around 34,000. So in about six weeks we’ve exceed the entire flu total for last year.
If we continue to have 44,000 deaths every six weeks from this disease that puts us on track for 350,000 deaths from covid-19 by next February. Or six times what you claim for “an average flu season”.
Except for years like last year, when it was around 34,000, or just a bit more than half of what you claim.
I would be more willing to lend weight to your statements if they contained nice, solid, heavy facts instead of the much less substantial and inaccurate content they currently contain.
Without people, the economy will die
OK.
Let’s start with heavily taxing the 1%. Because for darn sure those at the bottom currently have no jobs, much less money. We need cash fast so go where the money is. Tax the rich. Tax the people who are at this very moment still earning six digit or higher annual wages while working from home. There is your current tax base.
Opening up the country too soon is also dangerous.
But hey, you do have a point. So, clearly you’re ready to volunteer for any needed high-risk jobs. Which other of your family members are you willing sacrifice for the sake of the economy and other peoples’ money? Your spouse? Your children?
Trump has actually seen black support for him at 34% and that is UNHEARD OF for any Republican. Then again, he IS responsible for the LOWEST black unemployment numbers in history.
The 2.2 million number was with no social distancing at all. Look it up. You don’t understand what you’re talking about and that’s making you make incorrect conclusions that could get people killed.
That’s incoherent. I asked a question, do you know what the answer is? Are you okay with 150k additional people dying? If not, what number up to the 2.2 million for zero social distancing, is okay with you?
Also, another few months of restrictions are unlikely to kill more people than the runaway pandemic.
Also, if you graph Obama and Trump’s economy it’s a consistent slope. Trump is just continuing the good times Obama initiated. And Trump had to cut taxes for the wealthy and add a trillion dollars to the deficit to do it.
So, in lieu of a vaccine, we went to social distancing and shut-downs, which as many point out we don’t do for the flu. Even with that, covid-19 killed more Americans in six weeks than flu did in all of last year.
As I said in my prior post - the puts us on track for around 350,000 covid-19 deaths by next February, which means it will be the third most common cause of death in the US. That from a disease that didn’t even exist last year.
I don’t know what this “kung flu” thing is. I thought we were talking about covid-19 in this thread. If you want to start a thread about a different disease please feel free to do so.
No, but we’re about a third of the way there in just six weeks.
Let me clue you in to something.
The economy has ALREADY crashed. That horse has left the barn. The entire world economy has crashed, not just the US. Every economy everywhere. It’s just that the pieces of the wreck haven’t quite come to a complete halt yet.
Whether we stay on lockdown or open up wide and get even more deaths it doesn’t matter, the US economy has crashed.
The only question now is how we stay alive long enough to rebuild without the streets going Mad Max.
You keep saying this like we didn’t hear you the first time. At best, it’s pathetically unfunny. At worst its fucking racist AND pathetically unfunny.
I’m not sure what exactly you mean by “Kung Flu” because so far as I know there is no disease with that name.
You know what it means. And now you are officially “cute.”
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That said, the covid-19 disease death toll is current 44,000+ as of today. In comparison, last year’s flu total was around 34,000. So in about six weeks we’ve exceed the entire flu total for last year.**
https://www.health.com/condition/cold-flu-sinus/how-many-people-die-of-the-flu-every-year
**Overall, the CDC estimates that 12,000 and 61,000 deaths annually since 2010 can be blamed on the flu
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If we continue to have 44,000 deaths every six weeks from this disease that puts us on track for 350,000 deaths from covid-19 by next February. Or six times what you claim for “an average flu season”.
Flu season isn’t that long. Mostly it will last about four months at most. But the Kung Flu has been projected not to exceed 60,000, chopped down from 2.2 million. If you are offended by me calling the Coronavirus that it’s good. I’ve met half my quote today of triggering liberals.
Except for years like last year, when it was around 34,000, or just a bit more than half of what you claim.
The CDC disagrees.
I would be more willing to lend weight to your statements if they contained nice, solid, heavy facts instead of the much less substantial and inaccurate content they currently contain.
I haven’t heard a whole lot of facts on this entire thread. Just a lot of hate. It’s like you liberals are REALLY pissed off about all this FREEDOM speech.
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Without people, the economy will die**
Duh. Without an economy, people die.
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Let’s start with heavily taxing the 1%. Because for darn sure those at the bottom currently have no jobs, much less money. **
They already pay 90 percent of all income taxes. And President Trump got all those jobs from overseas with tax cuts. That means more jobs than ever before and more taxpayers. Raise taxes and our job situation goes back to the Hoover/Obama days with record highest food stamp usage.
We need cash fast so go where the money is. Tax the rich. Tax the people who are at this very moment still earning six digit or higher annual wages while working from home. There is your current tax base.
And they send their money away. Their accountants get rich. And there are no welfare dollars for Democrats. Yeah, that sounds like a plan for sure.
Opening up the country too soon is also dangerous.
Nobody is calling for opening up the economy too soon. There are extremes on both sides, (your side for keeping the economy closed to get Biden elected) and the side that believes the country never should have been shut down. I’m kinda in the middle. And I trust President Trump’s call on when the economy should open. He is the smartest president in the history of the country and we’re very lucky he’s calling the shots. There would be a MILLION people if KKKlinton had been elected. Trump surrounds himself with the best minds and he is probably the greatest leader this country has ever had.
But hey, you do have a point. So, clearly you’re ready to volunteer for any needed high-risk jobs. Which other of your family members are you willing sacrifice for the sake of the economy and other peoples’ money? Your spouse? Your children?
Thanks to Democrats, the PRO CRIME PARTY, my family members are in danger anyway. (Well, it would be worse if I were stupid enough to live in a blue state.)
If the economy doesn’t open by the beginning of May, this substitute teacher might wind up putting in an application at Walmart, at least until August when the schools open. But I’m sure Florida will do the right thing. Our governor is very sharp. He has been right on all counts.
You liberals are not going to get your way. The quarantine is not going to be held indefinitely just to get an unelectable Joe Biden in the White House. Give up on that fool’s errand.
The economy is going to come back and it’ll be just as strong as before the Kung Flu. America will get back to work and they will remember that it was President Trump who made the right calls when it counted.
**The 2.2 million number was with no social distancing at all. Look it up. You don’t understand what you’re talking about and that’s making you make incorrect conclusions that could get people killed. **
I’m not so sure that is true.
That’s incoherent. I asked a question, do you know what the answer is? Are you okay with 150k additional people dying? If not, what number up to the 2.2 million for zero social distancing, is okay with you?
That’s like me asking you if you’re okay with 150,000 dying if it would get Biden elected. Equally moronic.
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Also, another few months of restrictions are unlikely to kill more people than the runaway pandemic.**
Things were pretty bad during the disastrous Obama years. People had just given up on looking for work. A few months of this shutdown and it gets even WORSE than the Obama years. The tax base is gone, the American dollar is no longer the reserve currency of the world, government services are rationed out, and the streets become Somalia. That’s a guarantee.
Also, if you graph Obama and Trump’s economy it’s a consistent slope. Trump is just continuing the good times Obama initiated. And Trump had to cut taxes for the wealthy and add a trillion dollars to the deficit to do it.
That is absolutely the dumbest lie in the world and you’re not the only parrot that is vomiting that lie. Trump inherited the worst economy of all time and even Obama didn’t think all those manufacturing jobs would come back. Here are the experts.
https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-trump-booming-economy/
For eight years, President Obama presided over the worst economic recovery in modern times. For six years, he blamed Republicans in Congress for thwarting his spending agenda and hampering growth. In his last two years in office, he claimed that 2% growth was the best we could hope for. And in his last year in office, while the economy was again stalling out, Obama claimed that Trump’s tax cuts and deregulation would only make things worse.
But now that we’re in the midst of a booming economy — which kicked in after Trump reversed almost all Obama’s economic policies — we’re supposed to believe that it’s Obama who deserves all the credit.