Trump vs Sanders looks awfully probable (over a year out)

I thought he was horrible in the debate and was writing him off completely as a possibility. His interviews since then have put him back in the “possible” category.

He’s no more likely to keep tripping over his own shoelaces than any of the other guys The Establishment could pick, and he’d be a non-old non-Anglo guy no matter what. Certainly Walker and W2!, and maybe Kasich, don’t look any more presidential right now.

Why? Everybody else running is saying ridiculous shit.

Let’s face it, the GOP is a party that’s been dumbed down first by talk radio, then by Fox News (you can thank Reagan’s FCC chair, Mark Fowler, for those gifts), and finally by all the dumb shit they pass back and forth on the Web, and there isn’t much of a constituency for grownups anymore in the GOP.

Trump has as much chance to win as any of those other bozos. And saying stupid shit won’t kill him, nor will it kill Bush or Rubio or Walker. Or even Kasich, who just said that if he were king, he’d shut down all the teachers’ lounges in elementary and secondary schools. No, really, he said that. And that’s the (comparatively!) sane guy in the race.

So this is the Party of Stupid Shit, and candidates saying incredibly stupid shit will do just fine. I’m starting to think Sarah Palin wouldn’t stand out in this group.

Sadly, he has a good chance to win the GOP nomination once Trump explodes. He’s attractive, he’ll bring in the vote from women and the some of the Hispanic vote. Luckily there’s empty space behind the pretty face, so he’s not actually a threat.

Is the first item your reason for the second?

If he has an R after his name to go along with The Money, then yes, he’s a threat.

It gets better: He said that he’d ban teachers’ lounges in order to prevent them from worrying that he’s attacking teachers. Bwuh?

The only way he gets the money is if Jeb gives it to him. So in that regard he’s a threat to Hillary because it means Jeb isn’t running.

Trump keeps saying crazy shit and the other Republicans are too stupid to call him out for it. The 14th amendment silliness is just the latest example. Trump whines about “anchor babies”, the others could have taken the high road but they don’t. It’s more like “oh yeah, I don’t think the 14th applies to those people, are you crazy?”

I have to admit, Trump’s chances at the nomination are better than I thought. Maybe we’re seeing the mirror image of 2012- all the whackadoodles are lining up behind one guy and the sane Republicans can’t agree on an alternative.

I think there’s a ‘relatively’ or ‘comparatively’ missing before the word ‘sane’. :smiley:

But other than that, you may have a point.

They sit in these lounges of luxury ! Sitting on the taxpayers’ dime !

If you stop them sitting they won’t have negative thoughts.

Who’s running as a sane Republican at this point?

Hillary Clinton.

Heh, yeah, you’re right.

We have a winnah! :smiley:

At the end of the day everyone who is engaged in the political process enough to turn out and vote will and always have voted for their party. No matter who the nomination is.
We all know that.
REPS are not going to “stay home” b/c they don’t like the way Trump combs his hair.
Same with the DEMs.
Sanders is the current DNC ‘sheepdog’. He knows it.
He’s getting his sixty minutes of fame. When it’s time to let all the far Left ‘Sheeple’ he’s corralled he’ll open the gates and tell the ‘Sheeple’ to vote for whoever the DNC thinks has the best chance of winning the Presidency.

You keep saying this, but wouldn’t the same have been true of Obama? And he won the nomination and presidency. Twice.

If it’s always the same people who vote, and they always vote in the same way, then how does any office ever change parties?

Small values of ‘same’ and ‘always’.

Blame it on demographics.
…or the bossa nova.

Why does he even run, then? Surely that could be accomplished by a Sherrod Brown or a…wait, what other economic populists are there that are more mainstream Dems and might want the job?

Unless your argument is that the Democrat Party intentionally chose as one to keep Sen. Brown, and Elizabeth Warren, and–I don’t know–Kucinich out of it, because Hillary would have the best chance in the general, but one of them would beat her in the primaries. Whereas the party rank and file won’t nominate a disloyal independent like Sanders, who calls them “insurance salesmen.” And that Bernie went along with it.

OK, that actually makes a kooky sense. But if that is the grand conspiracy, I wonder if it will seriously backfire in this election. Bernie can try to give his voters to Hillary, and enough of them probably will actually go that way to give HRC the win. But Sanders’s very career is about prioritizing progressive principles over loyalty to the party.

Sanders won’t run as an independent, because he wants progressivism to succeed. But what will his voters do if he loses the nomination?