He’s continuing to flood the zone. The Signal leak is already yesterday’s news.
I would not count on the Presidential Succession Act to save our national hides. Its constitutionality is quite questionable at best and has never been tested. It may state that no officer ineligible to be president under the Constitution may become president- but if you read the 22nd strictly, it says you can’t be elected twice. It doesn’t rule out succession but he can’t be elected either as president or vice-president. So given the election of stooges and being named Speaker, I think it would work. Don’t count on the Supremes bailing us out, either. The Supreme Court Republicans Of The United Maga States would certainly not rule against him. What WOULD foil such a plan would be the election of a Democratic Congress.
This is the most likely outcome IMO. It’s the trick his boss Putin pulled at one point too
Of course, again, I’d put my money on old father time, and Trump’s octogenarian brain matter, foiling this rather than any of the checks and balances in the constitution (or you know, the Republicans growing a spine). Come 2028 Trump is likely to be the figurehead, completely incapacitated mentally and president in name only.
“of course your highness. Vance, will be a purely figurehead, everyone will know you’ll be the really power. Now eat your applesauce and watch this video of the 2024 election results on a loop”
My thought on pretty much the same issue, from another thread:
The Alternate Slate of Electors scheme was inarguably a considered and concerted attempt to make an end run around both the Constitution and the will of the people.
Anybody who simply believe it couldn’t, wouldn’t, and won’t happen again is self-deluding.
I don’t know that it will, but there’s no rational basis for concluding it won’t.
If there’s anything we should have learned from Trump over the last few years, if he says something crazy you can’t just dismiss him. In this particular case, I think his age will prevent him from any meaningful effort to attain a third term in office. Were he younger and in better health, I’d be very concerned about his desire to hold on to power. He’s already used violence once before and I don’t think he’s got any qualms about breaking the law.
If he says that he won’t rule something out, and if he has advisors trying to give him options on how to do something, then we should take him seriously. I think Trump, if he’s reasonably “healthy” (for him), will try to stay in office by some nefarious means beyond January, 2029.
After what happened in the 2020 election and aftermath, we can’t assume that it won’t happen again. And this time, there are fewer Republicans who will try and stop him.
That would be the Congress that chose Trump as Speaker, specifically so he could become President again?
The Senate has shown with Supreme Court nominees that they don’t have any obligation to actually allow any debate or vote on such things, so there’s nothing stopping a pro-Trump Congress from just dragging their feet for four years. Eventually just having an “acting” President will become normal.
How would that work exactly? Even ignoring the Presidential elections of 1916, 1940, 1944, how would Trump stop the states from conducting their elections. Please describe the mechanics of it.
And the success rate of that strategy was …?
There’s always Plan B: Trump doesn’t “run” for any office, but the party chooses somebody who will be his puppet. This has the added advantage of his being able to call the shots even if, somehow, some state manages to throw him into a prison cell. Attempts to restrict access to him with things like, “We’re sorry, but he is in solitary confinement and is denied all outside access,” is nothing that enough soldiers can’t “fix.”
I feel like this response speaks more to an individual’s need to believe “it can’t happen here” than it does to ground their positions in reality.
Terrorists adapt, change tactics, and persist.
Terrorists.
Same with predators in the wild.
Believing that wealthy, educated, powerful people of European ancestry, dressed in suits and having their hands firmly on the tillers of control … don’t do the exact same thing … is simply a denial of objective reality and an effort to adopt an anodyne position in response to chaos and threat.
Very understandable. Probably even helpful on the individual level.
But it calls to mind an old saying: hope is not a strategy.
Nope. It speaks to the fact that alternate slates completely did not work.
It’s worth the time it would take to both read and consider the rest of my post.
ETA: I’d also prefer that Democracy itself didn’t depend on the vagaries of a Mike Pence and/or a Dan Quayle.
I did read the rest of your posts. Of all of the strategeries put out there, alternate slates just would not work. In blue states, those were all shut down at the capitals. Did you see what happened at Denver when they tried it? And Congress has no power to not accept the slates signed of by the state’s Sec’y of State.
Interesting that in your example, you use Pence who stood up to Trump and followed the law.
Trump announces that elections cannot be held at this time. if a State goes ahead, he states (heh) that it’s an illegal action by left-wing terrorists who hate America.
He then ignores the result.
If Trump controls Congress, then they ignore the slates.
Which he can do all he wants … but that doesn’t matter if Congress counts the votes anyways.
As I said, if Trump controls Congress, then they ignore the slates.
The chief architect of the plan doesn’t agree with you, and – due respect – it’s kind of what he does/did for a living:
From whence the confidence, then, if not where I posited?
It was really Pence and Quayle that foiled the plan. Absent them … who can say whether or not it would have worked, and … based on what?
If Republicans control Congress in 2028, then Congress will choose Trump over the law and there will be little that blue states can do to stop it.
The GOP is a criminal party of power, not of constitutional norms.
Interesting that you don’t appear to understand that Pence isn’t the VP in Trump 2.0.
Like terrorists … they improvise, they adapt, they persist.
What’s so hard to understand about that?