Elizabeth II hasn’t had to do it. But as I noted, she’s doing a good job.
But several of her predecessors were removed from office: Harold II, William II, Edward II, Richard II, Henry VI, Richard III, Charles I, James II, and Edward VIII.
Only one of Donald Trump’s predecessors was removed from office; Richard Nixon.
So I’d argue that an American President is more secure in his office than a British monarch is. That indicates that staying in office for a full term is no great accomplishment as it’s pretty much automatic.
As for getting elected, what was Trump’s big accomplishment there? Trump was the Republican candidate and in our political system, he was guaranteed to be in one of the top two spots after the general election. He came in second place - and was then given the Presidency anyway. How is that an accomplishment for him?
So how did Trump become the Republican candidate? By beating the likes of Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, and Rick Santorum. The Republican Party has been reduced to the point where they only offer bad choices. And Trump was the worst choice so he won.
I think you’ve got a time span problem with that comparison. Plus, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy were removed from office, very similarly to how several of the monarchs listed were (maybe all except Edward VIII? - too lazy to look it up).
This is some pretty tough talk when support for the Rs is below 40%, they won the presidency with minus 5 million votes, lost big in the midterms, R congressional leaders are retiring left and right, and Trump polls unfavorably against all D comers.
The illegal vote a foundation of their long-term plans? A desperate, last-gasp maneuver? Hardly. Have you considered that these people have been coming for decades, independently of US politics, for reasons grounded in their countries of origin?
As for Congressional representation, your quarrel is with the Founders- they set the census rules to count all residents (excluding Indians I think), citizen or not. That you want to backwards-engineer the existence of immigrants into a sinister political scheme masterminded by tyrannical Ds involving the migration of millions or foreigners is a testament to your paranoia more than anything.
Tell you what- try and stop immigration. Oh yeah, your guys are in power and are doing just that. Let’s see, an asinine wall that won’t work. A national racism media blitz accompanied by a modern day concentration camp program that is succeeding in making all non-rednecks recoil in horror. Conspiracy theories. Nice job.
But that’s all beside the point. I just want to know why the GOP doesn’t appeal to this looming new constituency. The votes are up for grabs, you just have to persuade them. Too late, you say? Well, there has not been any mass naturalization program, quite the opposite, and so to date these “illegals” can’t vote, and so I don’t know what you are talking about. It is almost never too late in politics.
Care to take another swing? We’re in a country of immigrants with democratic principles. Majority rules yada yada. Why can’t the GOP win over these voters?
Yeah, but once any lawsuits come before a judge that was appointed by the Chosen One (including the supremes), it will be handwaved away with a decision that Republican presidents (definitely not Democratic ones) don’t have to provide legally requested info or respond to legal subpoenas.
Obamacare is pretty well gutted and is on the precipice of being totally repealed in The Chosen One’s legal system. (Democrats have not publicized this enough or pointed out why some states don’t even have the Medicaid expansion, BTW.)
TCO is lucky in that he has the perfect combination of other republicans in power to cover him and maximize what he is doing, esp old cocaine huffing Mitchy. Plus he grew up wealthy and therefore had access to mechanisms to make himself well known even though he has never done anything actually worthy. Yes, he manipulated a corrupt system that was designed by and for people like him to gain even more power. If I had his resources I could probably do that too. Just appear in front of the paparazzi a lot over the years and then run for president while saying lots of outrageous things.
I am annoyed that you waited two years to post to this board after registering. All those missed opportunities to make me laugh were lost forever. Oh, what might have been!
That said, your recent efforts are doubleplus good and have brought me great mirth. Thank you for taking the time to make me chuckle.
So after a severe storm a car is drving down the road and comes to a fork. There is a big sign with flashing lights that reads “Bridge out Road closed Detour to the left” Next to it is a man in a jump suit with “Don’s Autobody” emblazoned on the back holding up a sign that says “Fake news, Free candy! Turn right!”. When the car turns right and ends up in the river, it may be the fault of the driver or it may be the fault of the autobody worker, but its not the fault of the guy who put up the Detour sign for a failure to advertise free candy.
This argument is tiresome. Trump did not come in second place. This is exactly akin to saying that Football Team A did better in every measurable category against Team B except for the only one that matters, the score. Trump ran an election to get himself elected based on the system that was in place. Not only did he beat Cruz, Carson, et. al, he also beat Hillary in the only measurement that matters. No one cares that you think the popular vote matters. The laws of this country do not care one whit about that. He won in the only category that matters.
And we keep circling back to the same point. Check.the.fucking.scoreboard. Until you find some way to argue against the fact he is president, sitting with effective impunity, your argument that he isn’t winning this battle is inane. He survived the Mueller probe. He has beaten (for now, at least) the efforts to get his tax records. His poll numbers are steady in the ~40% range, which while pretty pathetic, show his base is still supporting him. He paid off a stripper/prostitute and STILL is favored by the religious right. Every.single.senator that has stood up to him is now gone or a huge supporter (see Graham, Cruz).
Go ahead and call all his supporters blind, dumb, asinine, clueless, or whatever you want. But he still has them and as such he still has the senate protecting him and Barr to block all other avenues to stop him. A politician, holding the office every other politician is prostituting themselves to hold, and holding it with the total immunity from any repercussions for any actions, openly and blatantly (and legally) pocketing millions in tax payer dollars, is winning.
Annoyed wouldn’t lose. Because he wouldn’t show up for the war.
He’s internet tough. If the government ever did decide to take his guns, he’d hand them over.
Then after he got home, washed his face, and changed his underwear, he’d go online and brag about how he faced down the entire army. And then he had sex with a woman! And then he scored the winning touchdown and home run - in the same game! And then he fought a lion and karate chopped it to death! And then President Trump came to his house and shook his hand and said they were best friends! And then when his mom told him to take the garbage out, he told her no, he’ll do it tomorrow! Because he’s always winning!
It occurs to me that (per my shaky memory of an article somewhere) that Hillary did the same sort of thing in the 2008 race for the nomination. IIRC, Obama looked at the rules in place and used them to capture delegates, where Hillary just sort of figured that the existing norms/whatever would carry her to victory.
Possibly parallels to her alleged failure to campaign enough in WI and PA (and too many visits to actual locks like California), leading to her losing those states and the election.
What does it matter who designed the rules of the contest? The contest was in place, all participants agreed to the terms of the contest, and at the end, Trump won. If you disagree with that you are living in a fantasy world and rationalizing an outcome you don’t like.
Please elaborate on how he was handed the presidency. Seriously. I’d like to know how that happened. Are you saying he didn’t campaign, go to debates, hold rallies, etc.? Are you saying he was lazily sitting in Trump tower, doing absolutely nothing, and the republicans, against his own desires, came to him in November and said, “We know you did no work at all to get elected, but we elected you anyway?”
But let’s go with your theory, that it was handed to him. It was thrust upon him and it was not of his doing. Others have said he loathes the job. So why is he keeping it? He didn’t want it and clearly isn’t gaining anything from it (y’know, except the millions he is taking from the tax payers and the attention he craves), according to you. He can’t be gaining anything from it because gaining would imply a sort of winning, which you say he isn’t doing.
Trump took advantage of a particular mentality and circumstance that existed in the country and continues to exist, working in and around the system to keep himself in power. Keep hoping his buffoonery and incompetence will catch up to him and come 2020 you’ll once again be making stupid rationalizations about who really won.
Why are posters wasting time arguing with someone who basically says they would vote for the destruction of mankind rather than vote for a Democrat? There is nothing positive to come out of such an argument. It’s not teaching lurkers anything, it’s not changing the troll’s behavior, it’s not sharpening your debate skills. Nothing is being accomplished except to derail threads and impede anyone who was actually trying to talk about the subject from being able to do so.
I’m saying the biggest thing he had to do was show up.
Suppose I worked in a store and I knew they were having a secret promotion where they were planning on giving a ten thousand dollar prize to the one hundredth customer to enter the store next Saturday. And you’re my buddy so I called you and told you “Hey, be at the store this Saturday and stand in the parking lot and count customers. When you get to ninety-nine, be the next guy to come inside.” You do this and win ten thousand dollars.
Would you say that you had somehow earned that ten thousand dollars by deciding to not stay home in bed? That your decision to show up and count to a hundred somehow proved that you were more skilled than everyone else?
