Even** adaher** and iirc **Bricker **aren’t voting for him. So, who is, and why?
Please do not attack the posters who admit this, guys.
Nobody on the SDMB is voting for Trump?!?
Or nobody will admit it.
(Where are those sock puppets when you need them?)
I’m a liberal and I’m not going to vote for him, but for the first few months I thought he was a decent candidate. He talked about corruption in congress, how politicians are bought, how he was self funding, how trade deals aren’t designed to help the working class, how we need to allow for the importation of medicine from Canada, about protecting medicare and social security, etc.
I thought he made some good points at first. However the more he spoke the more it became apparent he is just saying whatever his audience wants to hear to feed his narcissistic personality disorder(and that is not an insult. I’m 99% sure he suffers from the mental illness narcissistic personality disorder. I know people like to say anyone who disagrees with them politically is mentally ill, but I think Trump honest to god is mentally ill and has NPD). He went from someone who said we need to protect the working class to someone who rails endlessly about xenophobia and his bigotry.
So I can understand the appeal, at least at first.
Same here. He did talk about some important things early on, but since then he’s become ludicrous. There was a brief time where I thought he might break the Republican establishment and then become more reasonable, in fact he did punch the GOP in the nose, but then became more conservative and outrageously stupid. As of now my vote won’t matter, I’ll give it to Harold Stassen.
The dear departed. Due to our nation’s unyielding prejudice against the existentially challenged, he cannot appear on any ballot.
It is probably a safe bet that well over 50 million Americans will vote for Trump in November. There have to be a few here.
I’m not going to name names, but I can think of 3 or 4 posters here right off the top of my head. Not 0, but pretty damn close to it.
Yeah, early in the cycle I “listened” to Trump. Because of his long career as a public joke, and his birther nonsense, it was a stretch that I’d ever vote for him. But I’m a life long Republican and he was a major candidate, so I gave him what I felt was a fair period of evaluation. As the primaries progressed, like Wesley Clark I think he said some things I agreed with and some things I was damn happy to see being raised in Republican debates. For example his comment about “as President, I am not letting people die in the street due to not having health care” was something 100% of Republican Presidential candidates should say along with whatever their alternative (as opposed to a straight repeal) of Obamacare would be.
The middle class and lower class, many of whom vote for candidates from my party, have long had valid issues that the party is not addressing. For many years I have advocated for a Republican party that continues to be the champion of free market, non-interventionist capitalism but within a framework of making sure we provide for our poor and our vulnerable. And, believe it or not, Trump was the only one (aside from Kasich, sorta) who even acknowledged that those outside the top 20% existed with their economic comments. Everyone else running was, officially at least, just repeating the same tried and failed trickle down economics that the party has been struggling with since Reagan. I’m the sort of Republican who agreed with H.W. when he called Reaganomics “Voodoo Economics”–FWIW I’m against excessive taxation, but the form the Republican alternative has taken is to pair tax cuts for wealthy people with very small tax cuts for the rest of America and combine it with spending increases, which is kind of absurd.
But unfortunately, while Trump was saying things we haven’t heard from a Republican candidate for national office since the 80s, things that needed saying, he also was saying 10,000 other things, many of which were dangerously insane. After awhile of listening to Trump it became obvious–he has no real positions, other than maybe the wall and banning Muslim immigration (although he’s waffled back and forth on both of those even), and he just spouts off a random collection of nonsense to get people to support him. Much like a man who throws 10,000 darts at a dart board with his eye closed, it’s likely some of them will hit the mark, but it shouldn’t be seen as indicative of any greater aptitude. In Trump’s case I came out of the primaries deeply convinced that because of his almost continuous lies and shifting policy positions it is 100% impossible to know what his real positions would be in office. That in itself makes a vote for Trump dangerous, as an electorate we must have some idea of what we are voting for, and Trump doesn’t really show us. Additionally his personal behavior convinced me that even if I knew firmly what his policies were, he was dangerously stupid and incapable of executing the office of President, and that should and ought be a death blow to any candidacy for any voter. Even if you cannot stomach Hillary, I cannot understand voting for someone who we have strong evidence for their incapacity. Vote for Johnson or Stein if you hate Hillary, but don’t vote for someone who has proven themselves by word and deed to be incapable.
It’s not enough to not vote for Trump. If you are a rational patriotic citizen of the United States, you need to vote to stop Trump and the best chance of that is to unite behind Clinton, as flawed as she is. Voting third party is voting Trump.
IMHO.
There’s the story about Franklin Roosevelt and his plan to pack the Supreme Court in 1937. He worked out his plans in secret and then called in a bunch of his Democratic allies in Congress to tell them what he was planning. He then left without allowing any discussion of the idea.
After Roosevelt’s departure, Congressman Hatton Sumners, who was head of the House Judiciary Committee and had always been a stalwart Roosevelt supporter, turned to the others and said “Boys, here’s where I cash in my chips.” Plenty of others agreed with Sumners that Roosevelt had gone too far and they couldn’t support him.
I think Trump’s nomination has been a “cash in your chips” moment for a lot of conservatives, including all of the regular conservative posters on this board.
If enough people take your advice, Trump will win.
If enough people take my advice to vote against Trump, he wins?
Explain please.
If people vote for Hillary instead of third party, then Trump will win? How do you figure?
Voting third party, if enough defect from the original majority, can cause a group that was originally a minority to win. Third party votes don’t add to any other group; they only subtract.
Too many Hillary votes defecting to a third party can cause Trump to win. The reverse could happen, too.
**Enough!
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Take the “third party” discussion to a new thread.
There is nothing wrong with the topic, but it is a hijack of this thread to a different topic.
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I’ll vote for him.
He wasn’t my first choice. Nor my second, nor my third. But the bottom line is this: on his worst day, Trump will still be better than Hillary on her best day.
I didn’t mention it in my post, but I have elsewhere–I’m voting Hillary in November, not third party.
Care to elaborate? What do believe Trump will do that Hillary would not, conversely what do you fear that Hillary would do that Trump would not?
I’m also extremely curious about and interested in this position. Please explain with specifics and comparisons.