Trumps & cronies gaffes: accidental or careful trolling?

  • Sean Spicer misrepresents Hitler in the week before Passover.

  • Betsy de Vos makes spelling errors shortly before becoming Secretary of Education.

  • Melania Trump calls out cyberbullying.

-Trump himself misspells the word unprecedented as unpresidented.

  • At the start of Black History Month, an important historical name is misspelled.

I gotta say, this seems more and more like willfull trolling every day. One of the reasons I think so, is that the gaffing party never seems to be in any trouble from Trumps’ side afterwards.

It is also telling that the gaffes are made out to be as juicy as possible. The match of gaffe to person and circumstances is rather … specific. Sean Spicer could, for instance have misspelled Hitlers name, but he didn’t. If he had, that would have not sparked as much discussion as the error he did make.
At the start of Black history month, they could have misrepresented facts about black history. They didn’t, probably because most people are not aquainted well enough with black history to notice such an error and get enraged about it.
General Flynn could have made spelling errors in his Tweets when he was nearly appointed, but that would not have gotten people as worked up as when the secretary of Education does it.

Assuming it is intended, what is the reason ? Distraction ? Drawing attention to whatever it is Trump wants our attention? Making us out to be petty fact-defenders and grammarnazis? Are the Trumpettes having fun at our expense? Is it a rite de passage for them, did Betsy the Vos have to show her loyalty by making a misspelled public tweet?

Or are we just caught in narcissistic drama?

Notice something in common? None of the people you named are expert, grade A politicians. Some of them are in fact outsiders to the establishment. Trump has in fact partially drained the swamp and then refilled it, as it were.

Hanlon’s razor: “Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.”

I think they actually are that stupid. I haven’t seen any evidence of competence on their part that would make me believe they were playing a deep game.

Yeah, I think they really are just that stupid.

You forget that a “gaffe” (ghastly term IMO) we all know about is a gaffe that either went viral or was promoted by the media. Or both.

The more minor stupidities these folks pump out daily are just treated as noise. The juicy salacious ones get elevated to the level of a *cause celebre *gaffe.

IOW, you’re looking at a self-fulfilling prophesy. When they do something especially controversial, the controversy machinery will go into overdrive to make it even bigger. When they do something slightly controversial, we’ll ignore it as simply par for their scruffy amateur course.
I’m a big believer in never underestimating your opposition. Nevertheless in this case I’ll pull out one of my standard comments going the other way: These idiots can’t plan, let alone plot.

Still, if it is stupidity, why isn’t Trump angry with them? They make him look bad, no? The only thing I hear Trump being angry at Spicer for, is not looking attractive enough.
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He values loyalty over competence.

This. These people are just marginally intelligent and literate, just enough to barely go through the motions of running a country. And they’re too stupid to even recognize each other’s stupidity. Each or them thinks the others actually know what they’re saying and doing.

My god, compare them with ANY previous administration. Pathetic.

The “unpresidented” I could kinda see the possibility, but it’s more likely that’s how he thinks it’s spelled. He probably had someone turn spellcheck off because he’s a perfect speller alreddy.

But really it’s mostly just stupid people being stupid.

It is part of a greater, general assault on facts. Actual news being called fake, fake news being treated as real, contradictory statements and positions, and vicious ad hominem attacks on anyone who calls it out. There is an uncoordinated effort to discredit the very idea of objective reality.

I think incompetence is the simplest explanation.

To what end indeed?

At some point the narrative that Trump is some kind of mastermind marketer maniacally manipulating the masses with his machismo (sorry got carried away with the alliteration after “mastermind marketer”) becomes less believable compared to “Trump and his cronies are a bunch of rich unprepared idiots who got lucky”.

Well, go back to high school or college and think about how the dumbest people in the popular crowd acted. Did they give a crap about getting a D- in History? No. All they cared about was no fat chicks showed up to the keg party on Friday.

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No.

Trump supporters prefer leaders who make typos, gaffes and dumb mistakes. Intelligent leaders make them feel inadequate.

It’s the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action. Stupid people don’t know that they’re stupid. They’re not smart enough to figure it out.

I never thought about it before: why do you object to the term?

Now I’m envisioning the Press Secretary with a long pole with a big hook on the end, making another of his frequent gaffs. :wink:

The word is archaic and unused in ordinary English. It’s only function is to refer to a politician saying something that some faction claims is false, inflammatory, or otherwise ill-advised. A statement’s gaffiness is mostly down to the emotional content, not the factual content. It’s a lazy journalism cliché, like calling every scandal <Something>-gate.

Other than that, it’s perfectly cromulent. :slight_smile:

To be sure, Trump & crew make far more ignorant anti-factual statements for ignorant ill-considered reasons than darn near any motley crew of politicians in my political memory. A memory which goes back to the early days of the Johnson administration.

One thing this thread has convinced me of is that if it is intentional, it has worked, since no one here thinks it is anything but stupidity. But how did they run a successful election campaign in that case? Trump himself obviously decided that the more outrageous he was the more outraged would his supporters become. Note the very few have deserted them.

So I’ll be a contrarian and say they are taking attention from the real things Trump is actually doing. Defunding Planned Parenthood, arts, the tunnel under the Hudson, Amtrak, etc.

I don’t think Melania imagined she’d actually become First Lady when she say she’d make cyberbullying an issue.

If it’s a plan, it’s a poorly conceived one (which admittedly doesn’t rule it out for this bunch).

You can throw somebody to the wolves once or twice to draw attention away from a big story. But if you do it too many times, you run the risk of it becoming a big story itself.

An administration has to have some measure of credibility to get things done. Too many gaffes and the administration loses its necessary credibility and, with it, any political influence.

Although he inspires neither. He’s the perfect weapon on the War On Aptitude.

He ran a campaign so successful that he lost the popular vote by nearly three million votes, while Clinton ran a campaign so painfully incompetent that she lost states and failed to get votes in demographics that Democrats traditionally sweep by default regardless of how popular or competent the Republican candidate is. Trump promised to bring coal mining jobs to Pennsylvania while Clinton pledged to work to eliminate coal entirely and provided no alternative or even addressed the concerns of people put out of work by the shift in energy policy. That’s kind of like walking up to the girl you want to take to the prom and punching her in the face. All Trump had to do was stand up their with a stupid grin on his face like the guy who just farted in an elevator and keep his fucking mouth shut, and he’s not even very good at that.

If Sean Spicer was deliberately trolling, he’d fuck that up, too, because he is basically a human-shaped blob of unalloyed incompetence in a Men’s Warehouse 3-for-1 Special suit. He is exactly what Armando Iannucci imagined when he crafted Mike McClintock, and he now probably lives in fear that the other characters he created for the show have real life counterparts who will come to power and bumble around with ribald incompetence, only even he couldn’t imagine someone as terminally inept as Donald Trump, who seems like a villain from a Dr. Seuss story or a Rowan Atkinson skit gone terribly, horribly wrong.

But I love his turn as White House spokesperson. #LetHimMisspeak!

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