I think I’ve cracked it… it’s Steven Seagal, isn’t it?
Thanks for that, @Monty.
I’m sure that the staff at the White House are busy cleaning ketchup off the walls tonight.

he would have been better off with an interpreter
He would indeed. As an interpreter myself I can assure our clients that we are not there merely for linguistic reasons. We are also an excellent lightning rod. And an excellent excuse to blame when you want to climb down or change your position.

But maybe it would not have made a big difference given this planned ambush.
Of course we are not allmighty, there are limits. And they depend on some good will on both parts.

allmighty
I know this is petty as fuck, but “almighty”
But as a translator you knew that.
Signed, “scudsucker, who knows only basic English, child-level Bahasa Indonesia, schoolboy level French and public transport level Kaapse Taal*”
* Kaapse Taal is a very, very slang based Afrikaans, spoken mostly in Cape Town. For us white guys, we only really experience it on public transport, where it is generally used to suggest unfortunate things about our mothers. @MrDibble is probably well versed in this, though he has never, as far as I know, referered to someone as “as low as a snake’s shits’s shadow” which is a charming epithet which I would apply to Mr. Trump.
Edit, google translate gives me:
so laag soos 'n slang se kak se skaduwee
Which has a nice ring, with some assonance to boot.

But as a translator you knew that.
I am orthographically challenged in all my languages, that is why I am not a translator, but an interpreter.
Hey, I know the difference between the two. More people should.
I, too, should know. Mea culpa.

I’m sure that the staff at the White House are busy cleaning ketchup off the walls tonight.
Especially if he gets to see the photos of Prime Minister Starmer embracing President Zelenskyy.
I’m wondering what symbol Garry Trudeau is going to start using for President Zelenskyy.

As an interpreter myself I can assure our clients that we are not there merely for linguistic reasons. We are also an excellent lightning rod. And an excellent excuse to blame when you want to climb down or change your position.
Fascinating — for real.
I love the Dope.

Dipping into the magaverse, they are all just going on and on about the (lack of a) suit.
I think that aspect was planned too, given that Zelensky is well-known at this point for dressing in army fatigues as a mark of solidarity.
If Zelensky had worn a suit for the first time, the question would have included an insinuation about shopping. But he didn’t, so instead it was about disrespect.
I’ve seen people pointing out that when Winston Churchill visited the White House during WWII he wore coveralls instead of a suit because his country was at war.
Of course, I’m sure that the MAGAverse would find some reason to dis Churchill too.
Well that exact point was put to Nigel Farage (a UK Trump-apologist) and he just replied that Churchill wasn’t meeting Trump.
The implicit suggestion (since Farage was being very critical about Zelenskyy’s choice of attire) is that he would be criticizing Churchill if he had worn army fatigues to meet Trump. He wasn’t really pressed on it though, because firstly he managed to just gallop on to the next point and secondly the interviewer is a friend of Farage.

Here’s an interesting picture making the rounds of the 'net.
Welp, Agent Orange is sure galloping towards not being that, isn’t he?

Because I think the chances of any further negotiations with Zelensky himself…
I keep hearing this situation described as negotiations, or in Trump’s phrasing, a deal. And yet no one explains what’s being negotiated or dealt. The U.S. wanted some promise of access to rare minerals from Ukraine, right? What was Trump offering in return?
During the first Trump administration, the leader of the free world was a German. Now it’s someone born in the Soviet Union. Ike would be so proud…

Never mind that the whole suit thing is just manufactured bullshit like everything else the idiots expel,…
I think we should yake Donald’s word that his feelings were hurt by Zelenskyy’s attire. The President is a special little snowflake.

I think we should yake Donald’s word that his feelings were hurt by Zelenskyy’s attire. The President is a special little snowflake.
What would have been hilarious is if Zelensky* had shown up to the meeting in a dark blue suit, white shirt, and red tie that extended down to his crotch (where I suspect one would find sizable, functioning cojones).
Now THAT would have sent Donnie into a ketchup-tossing rage.
*Its Ukrainian spelling Зеленський is romanized Zelenskyi, Zelensky, Zelenskiy, or Zelenskyy, and originates from the toponym Zelene (Зелене), meaning ‘green’. Its feminine counterpart is Зеленська (Zelenska). Its Lithuanian spelling is Zelenskis. Source: Wikipedia.
I was just thinking earlier that this is the Vichy period of American history.
Times Radio interviewing Bill Browder about the Trump/Vance/Zelensky debacle – about 27 minutes.
It’s good.
Also, Browder’s central thesis comports with my own, upthread: that Trump – unable to be anybody or anything BUT Trump – is exacting vengeance for what he perceives as Zelensky’s failure to (succumb to extortion and) help him in the runup to the 2020 election (by fabricating dirt on the Biden family), and Trump’s resulting Impeachment.
[The ‘Party of Personal Responsibility’ strikes again]
Whether or not the Oval Office scene was ‘scripted,’ I believe it was never going to turn out any other way than how it did. Trump is simply too puerile, petty, vindictive, pathologically insecure, and volatile.
A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons.
—Hillary
Amen.
I forget if I already posted about this-
I know I said that I was able to sit through more than 60 seconds of a clip of Vance and Trump interrupting Zelenskyy and shouting over him. That was on the 6:30 NBC national news.
Later, I turned on the local Fox 29 (note this is simply the local Fox affiliate that shows The Simpsons and other programs) local news at 10. They showed another clip. Zelenskyy was attempting to say something. Trump responded by shouting “You’re not allowed to talk! You’re not allowed to talk!” Yet the MAGA crowd still thinks he is a fantastic negotiator and a master strategist.
We are doomed.