Go back far enough and you’ll see Italians, Irish, etc. being treated as second-class citizens the same way in the US. It’s a cycle.
I’ve read that “Latinos are not a monolith.” So if, say, a lot of Columbians are supporting him or a lot of conservative Mexicans, that’s not “ Latinos,” it’s just them? Or am I misunderstanding?
Political demographics are always squishy. In one sense it’s moronic to talk about what “Blacks” or “Latinos” or “evangelicals” or “college-degree holders” believe politically – these groups all have a diversity of political opinions. Identifying a political demographic is only useful if that demographic can be appealed to through a message particularly tailored toward them. Again this is all very squishy – you’re never going to move the entire group. But things like Spanish-language advertising or engaging church leaders are designed to help move specific groups in the candidate’s direction.
To the extent that the executive has control over funding, it’s now up to the Attorney General whether he feels satisfied that any particular police agency is performing in a way that is sufficiently friendly to suspects. If not, funding will be restricted until the agency has taught their people to be nicer again.
To be sure, the AG could treat it as a symbolic gesture. But the specific wording is that you restrict funding to mean police and don’t return it until they’ve gotten their people back up to snuff. That’s defund the police.
A few weeks ago I had dinner in New York with my wife’s cousin, whom we see rarely. (We live across the country from her.) At one point she mentioned that one reason there was so much crime in NYC was “too many immigrants”. She’s first generation Chinese-American. Frankly, I was shocked.
Ah, but she’s not THAT KIND of immigrant, doncha know. wink wink nudge nudge
( @PhillyGuy , The New Republic’s Susan Milligan went with “vastly” - see below )
Milligan asks the reader a question I find myself asking over and over again: Is polling itself dispositive? Beyond mere musing, however, Milligan brings receipts:
Democrats have weathered similar scares in recent cycles. In 2022, a preelection poll by the nonpartisan National Association of Latino Elected Officials found that 57 percent of Latinos favored Democratic candidates for Congress. Exit polls determined that 64 percent voted for a Democratic House candidate. A projected drop in female Hispanic support never materialized: While 56 percent said before the election they’d vote for the Democrat in the midterms, 68 percent actually did so. That’s largely because the “undecideds” in that poll went for the Democrats, coming home in November as the party counted on them doing.
… as with Latinos in the midterms, there is historical evidence that disaffected Democratic base voters may withhold support for the party in interviews with pollsters but pull the Democratic lever in November. Fox News, reporting this week that Biden is ahead of Trump for the first time since October 2023, noted that the Democrat had 79 percent Black support in one of its 2020 surveys—but then went on to win 91 percent of the Black vote in Fox’s own exit poll that year.
Other tidbits from this link:
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Democratic activists going door-to-door in Georgia report never even turning up the one-off African-American Trump supporter. Even Black voters concerned with Biden are weighing Biden against “staying home” instead of flipping to Trump.
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Few Black voters participated in Republican primaries in Georgia (5% of ballots dispensed), South Carolina (3%), and Virginia (4%). The latter two were open primaries where long-time Democratic registrants had the option to vote in the Republican primary.
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Hispanic voters in populous Texas and Florida are conservative enough (percentage-wise) to “blow the curve” and affect national numbers enough to make it look like Hispanic support for Democrats is falling everywhere at once. Instead, Hispanic support for Democrats is a separate individual story in every state.
No, it’s not heavily exaggerated, as I tried to tell this board months ago, even giving the reasons why young black people are moving to Trump. I’m blunt and that doesn’t translate well to a message board. So I was attacked and ran off the board.
I have to come back now, of course, since the polls are confirming what I was trying to say, and think I said, but I’ll repeat. Really, look at my posts in the thread, I knew this would happen. If I get banned then so be it.
Biden has lost the young black vote, and most likely the election as a result.
The migrant issue is a huge deal in the black community, whether this board wants to acknowledge it or not.
Young black people are afraid of people like Valentina Gomez, a first-generation Columbian , trashing Juneteenth recently. They see Trump as being anti-immigrant, or at least anti South American Latino immigrant, and they agree.
This board may not like it, but this is a big part of the reason why the black vote is not so much going for Trump but leaving Biden. And a VP like Harris will not help this time since the black demographic has changed.
I of course expect full apologies for how I was smeared by being called a racist on this board, now that polls confirm my points.
You (and they) do understand that Gomez is in the Trump camp?
Did you notice this whole thread is disputing that the polls prove such thing?
So if the actual election proves you wrong, as (lately) so many special elections have proven the polls to be way off, then I’m assuming you’ll come back and apologize profusely?
I realize this is small focus group, but I like that Univision saw fit to air this kind of exercise.
You are missing the point. Black Americans already know that immigrants like Gomez tend to go full anti Black American once they get to the US. They know that they become Trumpers, but the point is that Trump is saying he’s no longer going to let them enter in the first place.
Do you understand that? Black Americans are seeing that message and agreeing with it. In other words they are seeing it as a Gomez type person is already here and there is nothing that can be done.
But Trump is saying he will put an end to them being able to enter. He even brought it up in the so-called debate, with his own racist slant, but even that is seen by young Black Americans as doing more than the democrats are doing.
Once again, this is one of those ugly truths that this board does not want to face.
I understand that this thread, and board in general, is disputing that the polls prove this, just as I was attacked when I first talked about it months ago. If I’m so crazy as the board is making me out to be, why is this even a thread right now? I already said the polls may be slightly off on this issue, but there is a swing away from Biden which he cannot afford to lose.
My point is that this board is engaging in wishful thinking at this point, and attacking anyone that is not cheerleading for Biden. I want Biden to win, but we have to be real about what is going on here. Dismissing the polls is not the way.
Just look at the stop panicking thread, some truly delusional posts there. You can all say it means nothing, but all you are doing is ensuring a Trump win.
And those posters would say you’re the one guaranteeing the Trump win by pushing a losing strategy. So I guess there’s an impasse.
You have a pretty poor track record for predictions (as well as being a crank about topics as diverse as 9/11 and Bill Cosby), so you’ll excuse some of us for ignoring your advice.
I will, as I agree some polls on some issues have been off, but alot of that is due to media bias, such as Sinclair Broadcast Group. They dominate my area and tend to do what this thread is claiming.
That sounds like I’m contradicting myself, but I don’t think I am. I don’t really have an idea of the abortion issue, which definitely swung some of the recent special elections. I just can’t speak on that.
However, the things I am speaking on I know. The polls back up what I’ve been saying for months, and I’ll even give you they may be exaggerated a bit, but they are inline with what I was saying.
There is a swing away from Biden in the Black American vote, the amount that is going to Trump can be debated, they just won’t vote at all, but either way it’s enough that Biden most likely will not be able to win.
This has to be addressed and instead of being dismissed because I’m the one sounding the alarm here.
Trump tried to reach out in the debate, but messed it up because he is racist, but the democrats are being seen as not doing anything by a good amount of people as the polls say.
The Black American vote is not a guaranteed overwhelming majority for the democrats this year, that’s just a fact.
Wake up, Biden is losing now, he just got totally ran over by idiot Trump. I said months ago he should have got a new VP for this very reason.
Everyone has seen at least part of that debate debacle, and the most likely impression is that no way this guy has another four years as president in him. So a vote for him is really a vote for the VP, which is fine except the majority of the country doesn’t like Harris. We already know she can’t win.
He should have ditched her as VP, the demographic she was used for does not exist now as I’ve said, and these polls are proving, there was no reason to keep her. Other than “tradition” which means nothing now.
Moderating:
Nothing about this post has anything to do with the topic being discussed. It’s a hijack in this thread. Drop this line of argument in this thread now.