And read it again adaher, I’m not talking about what Arpaio did to undocumented immigrants, I’m talking here mostly about the legal residents and citizens that were affected by the racial profiling.
That was the main reason why Arpaio and the Police department got in trouble with many other laws, and then Arpaio thought that he would get away with it by ignoring the remedies ordered by the court, and on top of that Arpaio investigated the wife of the judge in an attempt to conflict the judge. He is in court now because of his contempt, and more Arizona tax payer money is expected to be wasted by defending his very likely illegal investigation of the wife of the judge.
And as noted, **even with all that going on Trump loves what Arpaio is doing. **
Read what I said. I didn’t say Arpaio did right, I criticized rule of men over rule of law. If the feds are going to rule based on the whims of men rather than according to our laws, then so will state and local officials. And notice that Arpaio is still sheriff, because apparently the people of his county like the stand he’s taking.
If the government would enforce the law, it would take all his power away.
I find it amazing that despite how crazy Trump’s rhetoric is some people need to exaggerate it. No, he didn’t call Carson a child molester. Just like he didn’t say all Mexicans are rapists. Why isn’t what he actually said bad enough?
I feel exactly the same. We’ve played into Trump’s hands: his fans ignore any criticisms because anti-Trump folks are prone to exaggeration and alarmism.
Please…there’s no need to exaggerate, Trump proves his unfitness for office nearly every day he campaigns. The snake oil won’t work and the majority of voters won’t buy it in the first place.
That’s exactly the point; yet exaggeration is what happens all the time anyway. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve seen people here say Trump called all Mexicans rapists or that he called Carson a child molester.
I disagree. We’ve gone over that Mexicans quote a million times. When he explicitly says “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.” there’s not really a lot of doubt about what he’s saying to his rube followers. Do you think any of the rubes paid any attention to the concluding “And some, I assume, are good people”? Most of them were probably applauding so hard after the drugs, crime, and rapist lines that they didn’t even hear the rest, and in any case, it was in the classic tradition of the Donald’s “I don’t know” – like how Carson was a 7th Day Adventist and so probably some kind of religious nutbar (“I don’t know”) and maybe Obama wasn’t born in the US (“I don’t know)”.
This is how he talks to the rubes and the ways his comments have been characterized are in my view accurate summaries of just what he was trying to say. Same with the remarks about Megyn Kelly – “blood coming out of … wherever” which some were so staunchly defending as meaning he was talking about a nosebleed! Come on!
The quip about Carson was a little different but along similar lines. According to the Washington Post:
He then devoted more than 10 minutes angrily attacking his chief rival, Ben Carson, saying the retired doctor has a “pathological disease” with no cure, similar to being a child molester. “If I did the stuff he said he did, I wouldn’t be here right now. It would have been over. It would have been over. It would have been totally over,” Trump said. “And that’s who’s in second place. And I don’t get it.”
What the rubes hear is “pathological disease”, “no cure”, “child molester”, and (three times in a row) that such a man’s campaign should be over, totally over. Those perhaps attuned to greater nuance might have gathered that Ben Carson wasn’t actually a child molester, just diseased in a manner similar to one.
You’re right that there’s absolutely no need to exaggerate Trump’s bloviations, but it hardly matters whether exact quotes are used or the essence of the meaning is stated, it’s all on exactly the same level. It’s not like the exact words provide some mitigating insight or redemption of this bloviating asshole.
Trump specifically said Mexico is not sending their best, they are sending people with problems/criminal drug dealers and rapists. I don’t care how many times you’ve gone over it - that doesn’t mean “Mexicans are rapists”
Well, I’m just not inclined to get into an argument again about what alternate interpretations can be creatively conjured up from the simple two-word sentence “They’re rapists.”
Nor do I understand how you can justify the alleged correctness of your own paraphrasing in this instance while condemning all the other paraphrasing you didn’t like as “exaggerations”.
I realize you’re not trying to defend Trump, but the simple fact of the matter is that words have meaning and convey ideas, and it’s crystal clear just what ideas Trump is trying to convey in the examples mentioned. As a professional con-man he’s got it down to an art form – use all the hot-button words to get the rubes riled up, but leave just enough wiggle room to backtrack a bit if challenged. The “I don’t know” ploy is classic.
As **Fear Itself **noted even your gotcha attempts are really sad too.
As it is your attempt at trying to make me sound like If I’m not paying attention that Trump is still sheriff. The press in Arizona, and even the center right paper The Arizona Republic, sees Arpaio as a shame for the whole state that has voted for him, it is also a reality that there is a price to pay by having people like Arpaio in positions of power, and he price has been in dozens of millions of dollars to the state to defend Arpaio in the courts.
Considering how recently the budget was in a worse deficit, and other important issues then received less funding, Arizona is the picture they should show in the sayings dictionary about “cutting your own nose to spite yourself”.
But then since I see that you agree that what Arpaio is doing and we know what a shame he is for Arizona,** lets work then to prevent such a fate for the whole United States with Trump. OK?**
Funny thing. In general the immigration process including the illegal immigration process, does select for the best, for those with grit. Certainly for the healthiest including longer life expectancy despite greater poverty and lower access to health care. Strong family networks are considered to be part of the explanation.
The “sending” part is another bit of deliberate linguistic mendacity, meant to conjure up recollections of the Mariel boatlift along with general vague conspiracy theories among the rubes that Mexico is engaging in the same kind of deportation tactic and the US is on the receiving end of crowds of murderers and rapists that Mexico is deliberately unloading. And if the rubes get the idea that the US is the sucker being manipulated by Mexico, and most of the immigrants are criminals, and the rubes become incited to beat them up and bring out the hordes to vote for Donald J. Trump, the only one who can save them from this madness, then mission accomplished!
Exactly. If I were on a rival board and said, “All Dopers are stooooopid! (loud applause) They all think they’re allergic to gluuuuuten! (louder applause). Eh, maybe some are okay.” What would you remember from that? You’d remember that Locrian thinks Dopers are dumb. (Of course I absolutely don’t in any form; I start each day with the Stupid Republican thread for the past five years. )
Trumpy Wumpys only hear the ignorant part of his speeches-- THE PART THEY AGREE WITH-- and disregard the rest. That is why I’ll never think of any Trump supporter as non-racist, or at the very least, the most ignorant of the crop.
Whoa - a poll by the more liberal-leaning Utah newspaper finds that Trump is slightly trailing Clinton in Utah. Sanders has an even bigger lead on Trump.
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