Trump's wall is now a 50 mile fence

According to Trump, it turns out the wall along the Mexican border is not needed after all. Surprise!
He now says that all that is needed is 700 miles of fence. Since Bush already built 650 miles, Trump is almost done.

Given the prominence of this campaign promise, will any of his supporters care that he isn’t going to even try to keep his promise? Will they care about any of his promises?

And finally, where does that put Democratic challengers? They can hardly criticize him for not building the wall. If no one can if he keeps his promises, what can his critics say?

They (trump supporters) will come in and try to claim it was supposed to be a metaphorical wall all along and only idiotic Trump Derangers ever thought it would be a real wall or some dumb bullshit.

All I know is Mexico better make good and hand over the metaphors needed to pay for it.

A whole lot of construction cost estimators are ruing the loss of business!

I figure they’ll think to themselves, Wow, Maybe I Should’ve Voted For Hillary?

And I figure they’ll then think No, She Wouldn’t Have Even Done This Much.

I figure it’s pretty much as you go on to say:

…exactly. I figure the only way he’d disappoint his supporters such that they’d rush into the arms of the competition, is: if the Dems would do a better job at delivering what he sold. Would they? I don’t think so, and it looks like you don’t either.

Democratic candidates very well can call him on his lie about building the wall. If anything, the lying is what tends to bother people more.

Now whether it will add any effectiveness is debatable, since I agree the diehards will find any excuse. And there’s so much more fertile ground for the rest.

I just had a Spinal Tap/Stonehenge vibe…

I, for one, applaud Trump for breaking this promise. It was dishonest of him to tell the public that he was going to build a 1,000 mile, impenetrable, beautiful wall, and that Mexico would pay for it. He knew all along that that plan was impossible. He was lying. It is never too late to tell the truth, though, and to move forward on real plans that will benefit Americans. He’s done the first part of that, and deserves praise for that; we’re ready for him to start on the second part.

That’s what I think Democrats should say.

Fortunately, President Trump has finally admitted that his plan to build a wall was folly and was never, ever going to happen. A fairy tale to get headlines and votes.

In other words, call him a liar and a con artist but sound as though you’re happy about it.

This was promised to help Americans on both jobs for Americans building the thing(and providing materials and and equipment) and the jobs that are no longer done by the undocumented.

If he has plans that will benefit Americans, I’ll believe them when they’ve been implemented and the benefits are proven real.

Until then, he deserves nothing but a shitstorm of criticism.
For all the crap Obama took(and is still taking) for his promises of the ACA, it’s appalling how much lying Trump gets away with from those same people.

Well, old Hillary might have done more. She can hardly criticize his idiocy except by pretending there is some magical difference between the fence he voted for and the wall he didn’t build.
*Last Friday, however, she did exactly that, joining Senate Republicans and the majority of her Democratic colleagues in voting for an ignominious piece of legislation known as the “Secure Fence Act of 2006.”
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*The bill calls for the erection of 700 miles of fortified fencing stretching across the entire length of Arizona’s frontier with Mexico as well as portions of the southern borders of California, New Mexico and Texas. According to some estimates, the cost of such a massive project would reach $7 billion.
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2015

*Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley’s campaign denounced Hillary Clinton on Monday over comments she made in a New Hampshire Town Hall that highlighted her support of a U.S.-Mexico border as a tool to deter Latin American immigrants from entering the country illegally.
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*“I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in,” Clinton said “and I do think that you have to control your borders.”
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As with most of her flip-flops, such as free trade treaties, the message is ever retailored to whatever the present listener is presumed to want.

The Democrats need to find something else to say besides, “Trump bad.” They need to come up with an actual MESSAGE that’s not related to The Donald.

Yeah, this works. They need to say this and then MOVE ON. “Real plans that benefit Americans”… there’s a starting point.

No, they wont give a flying fuck. They won’t give a shit, because of e-mails and Democrat collective and other really smart obsessions.

From what I seen online, it seems that “Not Hillary” or “Love those Libtard tears” is more than enough for the Trump supporter base. I think Trump lie, break promises, or rob the country blind and they won’t care. A significant part of American politics seems to have become “Our side won!”, like it is a sporting event. It seems similar to what you see when somebody’s team wins, somehow it is a victory for them personally as a fan. I’m sure there’s some psychology behind this. I seeing this a bit more in Canada too, and that makes me very concerned.

Well, it’s not like they would have been paid for their work.

It may bother his detractors to no end but it doesn’t seem to bother his supporters in the least.

The Republicans had eight years no no actual message other than Obama Bad…and they won the White House and Congress with it.

We live in an America (alas) where people do not vote for, only against.

More than that, they need to stop letting the opposition frame the debate. Take health care, for example.

The Republican position ( even though they don’t say it ) is that government spending for healthcare is an entitlement, income redistribution, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. And entitlements are bad and communistic and UnAmerican.

And the Democrats play right into this hand, their message seems to be - yes, we need this entitlement program, this income redistribution, because otherwise Edna Smith of Boise can’t afford her chemo. Etc, etc.

But nothing about healthcare being an investment in society. Nothing about how communities are hurt when they have a preponderance of unhealthy citizens. Nothing about how a healthier population is vastly more productive. Nothing about all the job opportunities in the healthcare sector. Nothing about how other sectors of the economy would be enriched if people weren’t spending every spare nickel on healthcare.

Yes, it’s a messaging problem and sometimes I wish I could slap them.

There are more than just diehards and detractors, though. The diehards are a lost cause. It’s the reluctant voters that would be the target of pointing out Trump lied about even the few things they actually supported him for.

Those who want libtard tears would only be affected by reverse psychology. But I’m not sure we could pull that off with other people not getting it.

IMO you laid that out exactly backwards. When the tweetstorm hits, it’ll be real simple. “In just under a year, I TRUMP
, have completed the task the previous 16 years of Presidents could not. Border safe now.”

And he’ll be fully believed. By the people that matter to him.

THAT’S what’s gonna happen.

The problem with fighting an irrational opponent is that you can’t use rational thought anywhere along your chain of predicting move, outcome, counter-move, counter-outcome, etc.

Rational people are almost defenseless in the face of this kind of thing.

This. A thousand times this.