Try to convert this attachment parent (long)

Hi, my name is Chris and I’m an attachment parent. I say it like that because I believe I am in the minority in the United States (but maybe not so much on this board) and parents who are NOT in my camp tend to treat me with condescension and scorn when they learn the truth. So, here is your chance to convert me to your side. I want to hear why you think I should convert from my current parenting methods – what are the big benefits that I am missing out on by not following the societal norm?

For those of you who don’t know what attachment parenting means:

The term comes from the fact that attachment parents believe in the power of touch, so we hold our babies as much as possible. I held my son whenever he wanted to be held, and wore him in a sling if I needed my hands free, as opposed to putting him in a carrier or bouncy chair. It wasn’t like I never put him down, but only when he wanted to be put down to explore or play. I breastfed him for the first 12 months of his life. I happened to co-sleep with him during that time as then as now I was a working mom and needed every moment of sleep that I could get (But I don’t want to turn this into a co-sleeping argument – I want to focus on the over all style). When my son was hungry, I fed him. I judged this based on his cues, rather than waiting for him to cry. Newborns chew on their hands when they are hungry. Older breastfed babies will nuzzle or stare at their mother’s breasts when hungry. When he was tired, he slept. He almost never cried. He was a very happy and observant baby. Complete strangers would be amazed at how he met their eyes at a very early age – people always noted how he was so interested in his surroundings.

My son is now 4 years old. Please understand that we have routines, but we don’t have schedules. This means for example that when we wake up, we have a certain order of operations we always follow, but what time that is may vary. To this day, when he is tired, he sleeps. Some days he doesn’t go to bed until – gasp – 10pm – but guess what? He actually sleeps in the next day to make up for it. Like I said, he sleeps when he is tired, none of this waking up with the chickens business just because. He can sleep nearly anywhere, under nearly any conditions – he knows when he is tired and sleeps. When he is hungry, he eats. I never force him to eat. I do insist that he at least tries all the food on his plate, but I don’t force him to clean it. I believe making kids eat on an artificial time table and forcing them to clear their plates is a lot of the reason we have weight problems as a nation. I give him some control over his environment by offering him choices (For example: It is time to get dressed. He has no choice in that. However, he may choose between two outfits I offer him. I try to give him input to meal decisions when I can.) Near as I can tell, he is a very happy child who appears to be very well adjusted. He attends preschool 3 days a week for 9 hours a day and has for the last two years. He gets along well with both the other children and the teachers – never fights with the other children and listens to the teachers. He is well behaved in public and he is extremely polite – always saying please and thank you, you’re welcome and such. He spoke in complete sentences by the time he was 2 and was completely potty trained at the average age for a boy – 35 months. We rarely have power struggles – I try to know when to pick my battles, and when I do put my foot down, he knows it means business. He may cry a bit and plead for a while, but he has limits and understands them. He will be attending Montessori preschool in the fall. I believe Montessori versus normal schooling is a perfect example of attachment versus standard parenting. (Link to a brief summary - Montessori .)

This subject is bothering me at the moment because my brother is visiting from out of state with his two children – one is a year older than my son, one is a year younger. My brother is as anti-attachment style as they come. His kids have strict routines and schedules. I don’t know if there is a term for this style of parenting, but at least for babies I refer to it as the “Cry it out” style. This parenting style is more about having a schedule than listening to nature. These parents to me – seem to prefer NOT to hold their babies, leaving them in car carriers or other mechanisms, encouraging them to hold their own bottles for feedings as early as 3 months, putting them to bed every chance they get. They feed the baby every 3 hours, regardless of when the baby is actually hungry. They give it water if they have to if it is hungry prior to the magic window. They put them to bed at certain times, regardless of whether they are tired or not. The thought process is that the baby will eventually adjust to this schedule to the point where that is when they will be tired and hungry. Just let them cry for hours in their cribs. It will only take two weeks until you have “taught” them how to sleep. To me, this means you have taught them to respond to artificial stimulus instead of their own bodies. You have taught them that their parents don’t care if their needs are being met and cause them to distrust the outside world. Same goes for meals. Put it in front of them. If they don’t eat it, take it away until the next meal time, and let them go hungry in between. As they get older, I believe this conditions a child to always do things at the same time – they don’t sleep in even when they need it, they can’t fall asleep in a strange place, they overeat snacks when they get a special treat because they don’t know how to act when they don’t have overpowering structure.

Near as I can tell, the only advantage to this style of parenting is predictability, which seems selfish on the part of the parent to me. My niece stayed overnight with us one day this week. She couldn’t sleep because she didn’t have her routine. She kept telling me she was tired, and all I could say was, “Well, then go to sleep.” She couldn’t because she wasn’t at home, it was the normal time, all her little cues were out of whack. Where is the benefit in that? It seems to me that you cause artificial inflexibility in your child by not teaching them to understand their own needs. My brother will put his kids to bed and they will be wide awake in bed for sometimes as much as two hours before they go to sleep. Yes, he has some time to himself, but what is the point? I would rather spend that two hours with my son, then put him down when he is tired, rather than banishing him to his bedroom just because it is 8pm or whatever. My brother views my parenting with scorn, (my son’s late bed time is usually the biggest frown instigator of them all) yet from what I have seen of his interaction with his kids versus my own relationship with my son, we have a much happier household. We are not constantly having power struggles like he is with his kids. He gives them no input, no freedom, no control at all over their lives. This is what they will wear, this is what they will eat, end of story.

So, why all the scorn? What disservice am I doing my son by giving him input into his life, by teaching him to listen to his body? I don’t want to ask my brother himself because it will likely only increase the animosity between us rather than clearing the air. So, I ask those of you in my brother’s camp, tell me what is wrong with attachment parenting and why I should change – what makes your way so much better than mine, in terms of benefits to my son. I can see where the other style would benefit ME – it would give me better predictability and more freedom and let me have my way more often, but being a parent is about sacrifice and I would rather raise a well-adjusted, happy child than have a comfortable life myself. My son can live by a schedule – he does so three days a week at daycare, as he is not currently in Montessori, but those who are on a schedule can’t live the opposite. While my son has freedom, he also has limits. The balance of that will change age appropriately. I think I am teaching my son to be flexible and to roll with the punches. Why is that worthy of scorn? When my son leaves my care, he will make the adjustment smoothly, as opposed to my brother’s kids, who will overdo their new freedom as they were not introduced to it gradually. You see it all the time when kids first go away to college. Kids who were “sheltered” and controlled take things too far to the opposite extreme to make up for lost time, as it were, when they get the chance.

Where am I wrong? Enlighten this parent who believes in teaching flexibility, moderation, and self-awareness.

I don’t think you need to be converted. I will caution you that after a certain age, schedules and rules are the norm and expected… especially at school. Also, some parents don’t have the luxury of being completely flexible with their children. If your kid is in day care and you have to have him dropped off by 8 am, you don’t have much of a choice but to get him up at a specified time. If you want him to have gotten enough sleep, you have to have a strict bed time. I’m not saying in any way that your way of doing things is ‘wrong’ but that it might not work for all parents.

Why do you feel you need to be enlightened, exactly?

My only input to this is that I was raised by an attachment parent. I can see the repercussions in my life every day. In some ways it has made me a better person, more able to roll with the punches and more able to express myself. However, on the flip side, I find it nearly impossible to go a day with out physical contact with someone, and when I lived alone this led to moderate depression. I have trouble falling asleep with out physically touching someone which has led to some relationship arguments.

I’m in no way a child psychologist, parent or expert in any of these fields, but I can only give you my experiences and you can take from them what you will.

Thank you for your input, FilmGeek. I don’t think I need to be converted, quite frankly, but based on the scorn I meet in other parents, they seem to think I need to be converted, so I want to know why. I want to discuss it so I can understand, if not convert.

Would you do attachment parenting yourself if you became a parent, being a product of it? (I realize that may be a stretch depending on your life choices, just pretend it’s possible for the sake of argument.)

My son sleeps alone now. He just didn’t as a baby. I think we all get depressed without human contact - I don’t think attachment parenting has anything to do with that.

I do intend to put him in regular school probably about second grade, because you are right, sooner or later you have to learn to deal with the real world structure.

I don’t care that non-attachment parents keep their kids on a schedule - it is the judgment passed on me for not conforming to their norm that I take issue with. I used to be very “live and let live” about it, you do what works for you and I’ll do what works for me, but with my brother’s presence, it has been chafing me lately.

It appears in reading your OP, that you have enough income and time flexibility to have the option of accommodating your childs “natural” schedule variations and that you are on site with him most of the day.

Not all parents have this same time flexibility, and in the contest between accommodating a child’s “natural” sheduling, and the fairly rigid time requirements of a job necessary to put food on the table and pay the rent, the job demands will usually win by necessity.

People who have to hew to schedules, and by extension, make their children conform to those schedules are not control freaks, sometimes they’re just trying to get by.

**Astro ** - On the contrary - I work 50 hours a week, have as long as my son has been around, and am now basically a single mom. My husband I am currently separated from left us in a world of hurt financially, so while I make good money, it all goes toward paying down debt. I don’t see where financial concerns work into the puzzle at all. Please explain how letting a child go to bed at 10pm (instead of going to bed at 8pm and lying there awake for 2 hours) and sleep in on the weekends requires more income? Please explain why having lunch at 2pm some days and noon other days requires more time? I have to pay for Day Care anyway. The Montessori school was only $8 more per week and gives him breakfast where the other day care didn’t provide breakfast, so I figured we were breaking even.

I honestly want to know WHY my parenting method is treated with scorn. What is it that affronts the other side so? I really want to know - someone please reply, even if you are in my camp, if you have any better understanding of the opposition than I do. I want to understand. Is it a case of reverse bias? Are too many attachment types trying to convert them and so I am assumed to be part of the enemy? Usually attachment types are the “nursing nazis” or hippy or naturalist types. Is it that I am guilty by association, even though I don’t try to advance my cause? Please, I really want help understanding the judgment I meet in the majority of the US - not just my brother, but people I work with, nearly any other parent I talk to. Someone out there must be able to identify with their side. Why should they care that I let my son stay up at night sometimes - especially for special family occasions - and sleep in on the weekends? Why does it bother them that I let him make small decisions? Someone please help me… I just don’t get it and want to.

Regimented schedules are necessary in life. I seriously doubt that you keep your child’s life as schedule-free as you claim.

Since you are a single mother working for a living, I assume you must be at work at a certain time. This means that your child must also be at preschool by a certain time. He must wake up before this time, and be dressed and ready to go.

That’s a schedule. It’s the same schedule that I keep, and that almost every parent I know keeps. If your child decides to go to bed at 11:30, he suffers because he doesn’t get enough sleep. (Whether that time is actually 11:30 or some time later in the day, the fact is that the time still exists)

Holding your child when he wants to be comforted is fine. Most parents do. The fact that your son doesn’t seem to cry much may be unique to his personality and disposition, and not due to your method of parenting. I know many children whose parents raised them traditionally who also do not cry and seem happy nearly all of the time.

You have to be careful as your son gets older and realizes that you seem to accomodate him whenever he wants something. Children can demand pretty unreasonable things, and finding out that he suddenly can’t breast feed anymore when he’s five years old or stay up until 3 in the morning watching cartoons may cause some temper tantrums.

Also keep in mind that you despise traditional parenting as much as traditional parents despise your methods. Making a case about how ridiculed you are for your parenting ideas is unfair, considering the liberal amount of ridicule for traditional parenting you gave in your own posts.

Sounds like you and your brother both have firm ideas on parenting and both view the others’ styles with disdain. Why worry about what someone else does or thinks, if you’re satisfied with your results?

The one questionable statement I found in your OP was this: “We rarely have power struggles – I try to know when to pick my battles, and when I do put my foot down, he knows it means business.”

Without knowing what “battles” you consider important, this could mean 1) In what most people would consider important areas for establishing parental responsibility, you exert the necessary authority, while allowing for a little dissension regarding non-critical choices (i.e. I don’t want to eat my peas today).
Or it could mean that 2) you avoid putting your foot down in general if you sense that there may be unpleasantness or tantrums.

I see a lot of unfortunate examples of #2 in public these days, so I hope that’s not what you meant.

Thank you for your reply, EsotericEgnigma. If you had read my post, you would see that my son is now 4, and that I stopped breastfeeding him at 12 months.

I am not decrying routine - yes, we have routine. We do have some semblance of schedule, as I would insist he go to bed by 10:30 even if he claimed not to be tired. But why force him to go to bed at 8pm on Friday?

I am saying all things in moderation and live and let live. I am trying to be more open-minded by asking for the other side of the equation so I am not turning into the negative of the behavior I don’t understand.

Great questions, Jackmannii!

THe honest truth is, I don’t really know. I didn’t used to care, when it was people who were not involved in my life or my son’s life, but while he is here, there have been times where he has been left to care for my son or I for his kids. So we butt heads. I want to understand why he dislikes my methods so I can better care for his kids to his liking and vice versa.

We don’t battle over eating his peas, or what he will wear, or when he will go to bed. I try to make sure that he gets some of the 4 food groups over the long haul. Sometimes he is on a protein binge, other times, he wants nothing but vegetables. As long as it evens out over time, I don’t force him to eat anything. I give him warning when I am about to make a decision for him (We are leaving the park in 5 minutes.) Then I don’t budge. We do not make scenes in public - he knows the second that he pitches a fit, that we leave, no matter what we are in the middle of.
My brother, on the other hand, appears to be pulling teeth no matter what is going on. Cajoling to eat. Arguing about getting dressed. Arguing about going to bed. Constant battling of the wills between him and his kids. Kids screaming in bed for two hours because they didn’t want to go.

About the scheduling thing, as others above have said, unfortunately we all have to live on strict schedules. I’d love to be able to sleep in when I am especially tired, but I can’t because I have to be at work at a certain time. That means I have to go to bed at a certain time even if I am not tired. It’s best to learn that lesson as early as possible.

Also, I have heard co-sleeping can be dangerous. If the baby is in bed with you, there is the risk of suffocation from the parent rolling over or getting caught in the covers or in the bed. Of course, by co-sleeping, you might mean in a bassinette or crib in the same room, I’m not sure.

I also worry that this method may leave your child too dependent on you and shy/scared of other people/situations. I have seen this happen before, where small children only want to sit on mommy’s lap or be held and are scared to socialize with other and remain attached to the mother at all times.

In regards to how your brother’s kids had a hard time adjusting to your home environment. Well imagine if your child visited your brother’s house. He’d probably have a hard time adjusting to that environment too. It goes both ways, and unfortunately, society operates more like your brother’s house than it does yours.

Stop looking at attachment parenting like an either or scenario. In truth, nearly all parents (except perhaps those Ezzo nutjobs) do some attachment parenting. And nearly all attachment parents do a little traditional parenting. For instance, you stopped breastfeeding pretty early compared to a lot of attachment parents and work outside the home. Not all attachment parents breastfeed (some can’t). Not all traditional parent bottlefeed. I could never handle a sling (wanted to, but never felt like my babies were secure in them - preferred having my hands on them when I carried them).

We co-slept for a while with my son, but with two it didn’t work out - and I need more personal space to sleep in than cosleeping allowed. Plus it took a toll on our sex life. Doesn’t for everyone - some people love it. But not everyone does.

We “Ferberized” our son to get him to go to sleep by himself. With two children just over a year apart, its a disipline both my children needed to learn - otherwise bedtimes were a nightmare for us and the kids. For our kids, staying up late and falling asleep exhausted has resulted in cranky children - particularly my daughter needs someone to teach her the discipline of sleep - she’d be happy staying up until 11:00 at night and needs to be up at 7:00 for daycare and is convinced she can live without sleep. Attachment parents tend to be a little shocked by Ferberizing - then again, I have a girlfriend who has staunchly refused to let her kids “cry it out” and hence had a six and seven year old in their bed with them - simply unacceptable in my house (but if you do it, that’s your business - sometimes I have a hard time sharing my bed with Brainiac4 - I like my space). Some kids learn these things by themselves, some need to be taught - and the teaching may involve some tears.

I did great as a kid in Montessori. Have a friend who did Montessori and who’s mother was a Montessori teacher - the lack of structure didn’t do him any favors and he has had a lifelong struggle to adapt to structure. Different kids respond differently to different programs. Some crave structure.

You seem to have a good kid. It may be your parenting methods. It may be your child’s temper. I have two, and their tempers are quite different. I’ve had to use different methods of parenting my daughter than I used with my son. Its possible that if your brother was less structured, his kids would be taking him for a complete ride rather than him just fighting with them all the time to instill discipline. 'Course, its also possible that they are rebelling against the structure.

You’re coming off as pretty scornful and condescending yourself, you know that? As far as I can tell, you think your brother is selfish, cold, and unloving, and he probably thinks that you’re spoiling your son and getting him ready to be disappointed by a world that won’t give him everything he wants. Possibly you each have distorted understandings of your respective parenting styles.

Maybe your brother could use some improvement. Maybe he’s doing the best he knows how and resents your disdain for his efforts and your smoother relationship with your son. It’s possible you wouldn’t do so well with a different kid, or with more than one to deal with. (That second child is always a shock when it comes along!)

“Traditional” parents (I’m not sure what that means) aren’t all like your brother; most of them are doing their best whatever it is they’re doing. As Dangerosa says, most people do a mix of things and use whatever works. Most people probably don’t care all that much what you do, as long as you don’t announce your better system to the world and make it clear that they are inferior.

For us, co-sleeping didn’t work at all. DangerGirl (now 3) wanted her own space. DangerBaby (age 15 months) liked it but I couldn’t sleep well. I nursed both of them until nearly 12 months, when they lost interest. I have yet to figure out how to make a sling comfy. I do keep to something of a schedule and a routine, because it makes all of our lives calmer and easier, and we all get more sleep. Everyone is happier. That doesn’t mean I allow them to scream at all hours. DangerGirl gets to pick her own clothing and sometimes gets to choose food (lunch, sure. Dinner, not usually). She has always preferred to be as independent as possible, and that’s fine. But I certainly wouldn’t define myself as an attachment parent, and I’m not even sure what a traditional parent would do, in theory. I’m just a parent, doing the best I can–pretty much like everyone else.

nyctea scandiaca - Why can’t you sleep in on days you don’t have to work? Are you actually able to sleep when you aren’t tired? I for one, can’t.

Why would attachment parenting make my child shy? I think that is more of a personality trait a child is born with than a nuturing thing. My son is not shy, and gets along very well with other children and his teachers. Do you assume attachment parenting just because a child is clingy? I think the two have nothing to do with each other, but if you can produce examples where you are 100% sure attachment parenting was the culprit, I would be interested to hear them.

So, why does society operate more like my brother’s house than mine? Just because everyone else is doing it is your reason for why that way is better?

Dangerosa You are very right - parenting is about doing what matches the child’s temperment. I think that is the gist of it here. And you are correct in that even I am not a full attachment parent - I am following my own hybridization.

But no one has answered the fundemental question - why do some parents insist on following tradition regardless of the child’s nature, and scorn others who don’t do the same as they do? Why can’t they live and let live? Why do they have to be so high and mighty about it? I only “despise” their way because I am sick of being judged.

I have been thinking a lot about this today, and I guess I would summarize it by saying that we don’t do anything in our household that doesn’t have a reason. I tell my son WHY we do everything. If I have to say “Just because that is the way it is” or “because I said so”, then we don’t do it. We do spend a lot of time together. He plays by himself when we first get home so I can make dinner and clean up, but then we play together. If I sent him to bed at 8pm every day, we would never have any time to spend together for me to parent him. However, even if he isn’t tired, he goes to bed when I go to bed because he doesn’t like to be awake alone. He doesn’t watch cartoons, unless I watch them with him. We are on a flexible schedule, but it is still a schedule. It isn’t like I am not providing any structure, just that it is a flexible structure.

He may stay up until 10pm with me on a school night, but then the next night he goes to sleep at 8am. We may both stay up late doing something together, like having a bonfire with my parents on a weekend, then we both sleep in the next day. Like I said, so we eat lunch at 2pm instead of noon. What’s the big deal to those who are offended that we are flexible? If it works for me, why do they try to change me?

dangermom - Thank you for your honest assessment.

I don’t go around announcing my parenting style to other people - it mostly comes up when people say something about letting loose after my son goes to bed, to which I reply that he and I nearly always go to sleep at the same time. Then I get the raised eyebrows - you go to bed at 8pm? No, he usually goes to bed at 9 or 10 pm… I don’t think I am superior. I really do believe it is up to the parent to do what they think is right for their kids. I guess I have developed disdain in the 4 years I have been dealing with the incoming scorn. You don’t sound like one of the ones who would try to change someone else - as I started out with, I suspect the closed-mindedness I run into in the real world will be hard to come by on this board. I wouldn’t say you are a traditionalist. To me, a traditionalist is one who lives and dies by rules just for the sake of rules, who doesn’t believe in flexibility of any kind. But again, thank you for speaking up.

You bring up a good point about the bad blood between my brother and I, though. You see, my father is retired and watches my son two days a week at his house. My brother and his kids are staying with my parents for a whole month. My dad’s style is more like my own than my brother’s. There is some unsaid animosity between my brother and I on other fronts, so maybe it is just that coming through. It probably doesn’t help that my dad is on my side, which is opposite the way it was when we were growing up. My brother walked on water as far as my dad was concerned and could do no wrong.

I say relax about the parenting thing. The scorn may come more from the idea that you are following a parenting ‘method’ more than anything else. What you do sounds pretty ‘normal’ to me. All families have house rules or methods, so your brother just has a different one from you.

You sound awfully judging yourself. To interpret: Your kid is great, your brother’s are little shits and its all because you have a superior parenting style and he is inflexible. Yet, you yourself have your own rules (no cartoons unless you watch them with him). Your brother has just chosen different rules.

And, I have a hard time believing that he is completely inflexible. For one thing, if he was, his kids wouldn’t still be having control battles with him, they’d have given up ala Babywise babies (those Enzo nutjobs I misspelled before). I think the two of you just disagree on what rules are important - for you, maybe its TV time and spending time with mom. For him, it may be more structured bedtime - and that may do with his household situation - he or his wife may spend more time with them during the day and require adult time at night.

I know one thing about earlier bedtimes for my kids - it gives me a chance to be a grown up (oh, ok - of late being grown up is playing City of Heros) and a wife. When our kids don’t go to bed until late, I miss time with my husband - which isn’t good for our marriage.

Maybe they despise “your” way for the same reason.

Or maybe they are just mean.

I don’t know. I’m not a parent and don’t plan to be one. But I admit to rolling my eyes (internally, where no one else can see) when someone says they are into “blank” parenting. And I fully admit that it’s reverse snobbism behind that feeling (and I suspect for others as well…look at how quick people were to judge you as well-to-do).

I think the thinking goes something like this:

Regular schmoes don’t get bogged down in the academic rigors of parenting. If you subscribe to “method” parenting, then you’re trying to be above the level of regular schmoedom by raising a “special” child. Thus, you need to be knocked down a peg or two!

Just my WAG.

I suspect your brother thinks you’re raising a “special” child…one who will fall apart without his mother’s presence and who will demand more since he’ll be used to “choices” and “freedom”. And I suspect he doesn’t want his nephew to turn out like that and feels it’s his duty to “correct” you. I don’t know why you can’t just tell him to shut up. This isn’t a case of “attachment parenting vs. traditional parenting” as much as it’s your style of parenting versus your brother’s. Millions of people have the same battles happening in their families. Just ignore him when he gets annoying, like sisters have done to their brothers for millenia. :slight_smile:

I was raised mostly by a single mother and my older brother, in a style quite similar to the one you describe. On the other hand, I went off to boarding school when I was seven, so I’ve had to deal with no structure and extremely rigid structure.

My only contribution is that if your parenting style has a name, you’re probably over-analysing.

Monstro, did I not just say this?