Posted by Greathouse:
Okay, I can understand not agreeing with Greenpeace or any other specific group… but, Dude, you do understand that “the environment” is where you live, right? Unless you’re in a space colony, which would be awesome.
You know, in space, no one can hear you scream when your vessel is destroyed by a mine.
I’m just sayin’.
Hey, Calm Kiwi? Excellent post, mate. Echoing the “Well Done”!
…you seem to be proud to wear such ignorance on your sleeve.
Feel free to disagree with Greenpeace and their goals. I disagree with them a lot too. Do you think the environment isn’t important? :: shrugs :: I don’t spend a lot of time thinking about it myself.
But would it hurt you to, I don’t know, actually read an article about what acutally happend before you comment on it? Your reference to “a couple of tree-huggers” earlier in the thread shows that you don’t even know the basics of the case. It show you didn’t even read the thread. Only one person died-not two. I even posted his name. Oh I forgot, this incident was “barely noticeable” too you.
And I’m amazed that you characterize our reactions to your post as us “finding a cause to rally behind.” Again, your stunning ignorance, on a website dedicated to fighting ignorance, simply amazes me. And then you say this:
How incredibly condecending. I think we did come to peace over the issue, until Mr Carlson decided to come out with his ignorant, pathetic comments. Shall we just hold our tounges over this “barely noticeable” moment in history? Should we just let people wallow in their own ignorance? How does your scale work by the way, how does an event move from being “barely noticeable” to significant? Is it because of the country it happened in? The amount of people that died? Tell me, in the last century, how many nations have committed an act of terrorism against one of their allies?
You seem to think this issue is about the environment-constantly referencing “tree huggers” and “spiking trees” and “causes to rally behind”. It was not. You even said that Fernando bought this upon himself, which was disgusting. Try to eliminate you obvious biases about environmental issues and look at the facts: The French Government made a decision to sabotage the Rainbow Warrior. There were three options put on the table: 1) contaminating its fuel supply, 2) use a small bomb to disable the boat, or 3) use two bombs to destroy it. President Mitterand’s Chief of Staff and his defence minister, Charles Hernu decided on the third option-how is that not murder?
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/506420/594093/
http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=mar90danielsson
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3326291a11,00.html
See, this is why it’s funny. In that oh-the-irony- kind of way. Put it in context of France decrying the US in, well, everything, and you can see the humor. Maybe. Well, no, not you of course, but in a general way.
The fact it was a Greenpeace vessel just makes it all almost surreal.
BTW, nice tribute calm kiwi. There was so much happening in the States at the time we tend to forget historical significance of “smaller” countries. (Please don’t take offense at that, I trust you know what I mean.) i’m going to look into him. Sounds like an interesting man.
No-no-no.
Too, too Bugs Bunny.
Sorry, I don’t do that. See, I’m a professional ecologist. I actually know what the fuck I’m talking about.
And you’re still ignorant. But enjoy your blasé attitude, m’kay?
You’re an infant. France does not decry us in “everything.” France remains one of the closest allies we have. The French people have a few philosophical disagreements with us, but in general, their values are identical to ours.
Besides which, the fact that France disagrees with us on a few important matters has nothing to do with the fact that they were in the wrong in killing people who were only interested in unarmed, passive resistance.
Unless of course you’re opining that France was justified in killing innocent protesters because it’s the sort of thing the US would do, in which case, I’m not sure that’s the sort of point you’d want to take pride in about our lovely nation.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=6473514#post6473514
More information here-read the Listener article, its very good…
It wasn’t intended that way, but if you want to read it that way then go for it.
Not going to comment on the rest of your post since we obviously disagree about this issue and aren’t going to see eye to eye at all on it. It’s not a big deal to me. It would appear that it is a big deal to you.
You are correct though that I was totally ignorant of this event before I opened this thread. The only reason I posted here to begin with is because I can see some humor in it, which is what many of the posters had guessed was Carlson’s intent behind his comments. Like I said earlier though, I would have prefered that the French didn’t mine the ship and instead had carried on with their test regardless of the Rainbow Warrior being within the blast zone.
Don’t apologize. I’m rather glad to hear you don’t do that.
Bully for you.
Thank you. I think I will.
On my list of things that matter to me and that I worry about, the environment is at the bottom. By the time I make it down to that part of the list I’m pretty much cared out. YMMV
…the comments weren’t meant to be funny, Carlson, like many on this thread, actually believes them. Here is a part of a transcript of his conversation with the Director of Greenpeace:
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/fire-tucker-carlson/passacantando-and-carlson-talk
So the French were just being vandals. Whatever…
Wow. He’s really got that down. I guess he’s been brushing up on his debating skills after being pantsed by Jon Stewart.
Seriously, though – I wonder if he honestly believes that France scuttled the Rainbow Warrior for simple kicks, rather than for political reasons. It’s almost a toss-up for me. It’s nearly as hard to imagine that someone could be that disingenuous as it would be to credit them being that stupid.
Yes GOOD FOR ME for finding a cause! HOORAY! My cause is living happily free from foreign terroism. I discovered this cause in the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back in the 80’s. It seems SOME Americans waited till 9/11 to discover the cause.
Shit mate, I am not a member of Greenpeace nor have I ever hugged a tree. I DO care that a country seen as an ally commited an agressive act in my country.
You…not being from France or NZ didn’t give a shit. Me…being a human being from a democratic country did.
Isn’t there some funny old saying about “when they came for me”? Remind me not to give a shit.
Please answer this small questionaire.
A) Freedom and Demoracy matters.
B) MY Freedom and Democracy matters.
C) All you fucking foriegners smell funny so who gives a shit.
D) I will wait to see what the general public thinks and get back to you.
Oh and by the way anyone who says they don’t give a shit about the enviroment is both an idiot and immoral (and I only recycle because the council makes me).
Thank you Banquet Bear, Ice Wolf and Duffer (and Duffer yes he was an awesome man…I actually had a bit of a cry today, the death of any other NZ politician would be frigging lucky to get a raised eyebrow).
Good for you. I’m glad you care.
Dear calm kiwi,
Please remember not to give a shit when something happens that Greathouse finds important.
There you go.
Ok, first of all, those weren’t questions.
Second, that is a mighty fine strawman you’ve built there. Nothing I’ve posted here comes close to any of those points.
Again…If I actually gave two shits about what the fuck you think then this might bother me.
I am glad that you are glad that I am glad. Gladness is good
I shall try. Noting your TX location, it may prove tricky though. Someone from your vicinity seems to be trying his hardest to make the rest of us care.
Well spotted! They were not questions. They were stupid statements. Which one did you tick?
Hmmm. You reckon? I believe what you posted was B) MY Freedom and Democracy matters.
I leave your own words to provide “evidence”. Hey sunshine, I know this is a shock to you but there are other countries in the world, oh and not just those “axis of evil” types. Some of those other countries actually care what happens within their borders.
Thank you for your time. Now feel free to go litter, you rebel.
Indeed
Yeah, yeah. I also think Bush is a fucking prick. Hooray! We’ve found some common ground.
I went with the hidden option of E) None of the above.
No. I believe I posted things along the lines of “I’m not going to get all worked up over the 20 year old mining of a ship whose crew had declared their intentions to cross the borders of an off limits, military zone”.
I even dared to see some humor in that.
Clearly since the environment is last on my “Give a shit list” then I must litter and pour old motor oil down the gutter. When a gutter isn’t available I actively seek out a few birds I can capture to give them an oil bath before pouring the excess into a hole I’ve dug in the middle of the forest. :rolleyes:
And here I thought you were a rebel! Birds are puny prey. Why not slap an Orca tail fin on the back on the back of ya truck (Hey I may as well stick with the stereo type…you do have a truck doncha 
)
If you want to pick on birdies to prove ya bad rebel self, Kiwis are endangered (the actual Kiwis, not the people or the fruit). They happen to be the only bird with nostrils at the end of their beak…Just asking to be smothered
I’m hugging a tree as I type.
At least NZ has a valid (in living memory) reason to hate the French.
Ha I win 
Posted by Greathouse:
I’m repeating this because it doesn’t seem to have sunk in: what do you think the word “environment” means? It’s where you live. If you honestly don’t care about human life, including your own, I can understand that; just want to check on whether you’re intending to say what you seem to be saying.
I must sheepishly admit that yes, I do in fact drive a pickup truck. It’s a small one though so it doesn’t really fit in with the TX stereotype…I hope.
What I’m saying is that I don’t bother myself with worrying about pollution or trees being cut down.
Yes it does! I win again
Are there any trees in Texas? You do realise we kinda need trees? Clean trees are even better. Space exploration we can survive without. Hell we can actually live without democracy. Trees we need.
I never felt like hugging a tree until now. I now see a Kowhai who needs some loving…doesn’t some cactus deserve a hug?