If the Turkish planes are in Turkish airspace but firing missiles at Russian planes inside Syria they can expect to get targeted. Even according to the radar track the Turkish army released the SU-24 was in Turkish air space for less than 20 seconds, the missile hit the SU-24 inside Syrian airspace and the plane crashed in Syria, not in Turkey.
But counting the Turks as a continuation of the Hun and Mongol empires is quite realistic. The Huns (100bc-500ad) spoke a language related to both Mongolian and later Ottoman Turkish. All of those people came from the general area of Western China & Central Asia and swept west toward Europe.
Oh? Such as? This is not a few potshot between a couple of angry tribes. This is a military engagement between two of the world’s most powerful military blocs. Who have thosands of nukes tageted at each other.
Of course, I don’t speak Hunnic or Mongolian or Ottoman Turk, so I can only pass along what I’ve read following a recent trip down the Attila-related pages of wikihole. I’m not qualified to defend this, personally.
There isn’t a lot of written Hunnic still extant. The vast majority of it is personal names, which is more useful than it sounds because apparently the Huns used common nouns as personal names. You know - names like Goodluck Jonathon and Pearl Bailey. They sound a little silly in English, where we tend not to think about name meanings, but those sorts of names are common in other cultures.
Anyway, Pritsak, who was the Harvard profeesor of Ukranian Studies at the time, runs though the names and connects them and their grammatical changes to other linguistic information of the era. He also talks a little about the people who bore the names. It includes info from a wide range of contemporary writings about the Huns, including Muslim and Roman sources. Pritsak concludes that the Hunnic language had strong ties to both Mongolian and Turkish langugage features, and grammatically, it seems to be closer to later Turkish languages such as the Ottoman.
It’s an interesting article, I thought, about a subject that was new to me.
Irregardless of the language similarities, the origin of the Golden Horde is the steppes of Mongolia, not Turkey so its a bit of a stretch to say the Ottoman Empire is a continuation of them.
Even if the languages are related, it still doesn’t make sense to say that Ottoman empire is a continuation of the Mongol (let alone Hunnic) empire. English and Russian are related, but the British had no involvement in the conquest of Siberia.
And conversely, Russia is in no way a continuation of the Kievan Rus, which is the claim that started this hijack (if anyone is, it’s the country whose current capital is actually Kiev, right?)
Thats dubious, moving the capital is a lot different to changing languages / culture. Kievan Rus is pretty widely acknowledged as the precursor of modern Russia.
They don’t have to be in the immediate vicinity. A S-300 battery in for instance Latakia, where they do have ground forces, could cover the whole area. And much of Turkey. Greek airspace too. I’m sure Turkey will be ok with having shot down some of their planes which entered Greek airspace no less than 2244 times in 2014 alone (Turkey buzzes weakened Greece) In fact they decided to transfer a S-400 system in Hmeymim (S-400 Will be Deployed at Syrian Airbase Hmeymim - Russian Defense Minister)
Those “rebels” are actually Turks from the neo-fascist organisation Grey Wolves. The commander which claimed to have killed the two pilots (only one died) is one Alparslan Çelik.
So I guess everyone can agree that Russia wasn’t bombing ISIL in Latakia, then.
I’m glad that the Russians managed to rescue one of the pilots. The death of the other one certainly appears to be cold blooded murder, and there’s no excuse for that.
Turkey is not on it’s own. An anonymous government source saying that it was probably an overreaction does not dissolve NATO. Obviously this is just to smooth Russian feathers.
The whole premise is dubious. The Turks/Ottomans are not a continuation of Huns/Mongols/Jedis or the Byzantines whom they crushed in a long series of wars. The Russians have a slightly stronger claim. But both nations are really modern constructs.