Turkish flagged vessel attack [What if?--becomes What now?]

PAY ATTENTION. This morning FinnAgain and Capt. Riddley’s Shooting Party were told to drop this tangent seven hours ago in post #345. It had already gone on much too long. You have been told twice not to revive it - by me in post #455 and at about the same time by tomndebb in post #464. You need to read all the way to the end of a thread before you post; you’re now responding to something FinnAgain said ten hours and three pages ago.

Some high-quality objective journalism, there. I would have expected an English-language newspaper to employer writers fluent in English, though. :confused:

Quite true. The only thing they can be discerned from the video is that the people on the ship did certainly attack the soldiers as soon as the first one was lowered onto the deck. That’s clear. Aside from that, who knows? I have to say, it’s pretty ballsy to attack armed soldiers with bats and the like though. That’s no commentary on whether the soldiers had any right to be there at all, just that, well, what did you think might happen?

That’s not what you said. You said the North was NOT TOUCHED. That is demonstrably false.

Why does everything you said to Capt. Ridley not also apply to you?

**Mod Note:**I see by the time stamps that I can not reasonably pin you with ignoring Tomndeb’s warning above, but you can consider this the final warning. Any posts on the subject after this post will result in formal warnings. Read post #501 for the warning proper.

What list?

You have a cite?

I just wanted to add that the Israeli videos lack context, we don’t see what happened prior to the actions that we see in the video, we just see the excerpt that they want to use to make their case. I think the posters that want to go along with Israel’s story base on the video “snippets” released would be of a different mind if the video “snippets” were presented by the other side to condemn the actions of Israel. The cry would be loud for seeing all of the footage as opposed to a small snippet designed to make a particular point in the abscence of the context that one would get from all of the footage that mind you the Israelis do have.

Whoa!!! WTF!!!

WTF!!!

This is all happening too fast, someone is going to make a mistake.

Whilst at the same time arguing quite strongly that an adequate food supply is one that doesn’t starve you to death. Oh and that apparently they should be using 30% of Gaza for farming.

Of course the difference being that chocolate is still a standard part of the rations. I can’t find a cite for when they stopped being included, but this page of international field rations seems to show just about all of them still containing chocolate and only one (greece) even mentioning cigarettes:

I have repeatedly now pointed out how odd it is to focus solely on Israel when Egypt can and has opened its border many times in the past. Why is your concern “Isn’t there SOME way that Egypt can let SOME of the people out of Gaza?”
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Now there’s an ironic statement. :smiley:

There is nothing about a military blockade that must be respected. Defying a blockade is enough reason for Israel to declare war on italy tho.

I agree, people need to slow their roll, this is going to spin out of control.

And where have they been remiss? They have supplied humanitarian aid and offered to transfer any humanitarian aid the flotilla had? Israel does not occupay Gaza, anyway. Hamas does, and Israel is trying to prevent more arms being shipped to Hamas.

Really Not All That Bright:

See my subsequent post. One cite is from an English newspaper, and the English media has been notorious for taking an anti-Israel position.

And your point is?

My point is that I’m giving you the facts, not the propaganda being promulgated. See also my other two cites.

A good portion of the video is actually from people on the boat though I’d imagine it was still released by Israel itself. Given, it is snippets so it does lack a level of context. It certainly does show armed soldiers getting the crap kicked out of them, in close up, and not shooting. That was my only point.

Slightly less immoral, but seeing as I see the blockade itself as being immoral I don’t think I will ever see the defending of the blockade in any way or any place as morally right.

the way it as performed was also not sensible, no matter where. Approaching with ships in the light of day, like customs officers, would have been far more sensible than commandoes armed with guns rappelling down from helicopters in the dead of night.

Maybe you can make pepper spray with corainder.

Chocolate, I don’t get but maybe you can mix it with fertilizer and make a bomb or something.

It already is. So will Israel start holding or firing on all ships? If they do, they will be in a world of shit. If they don’t their blockade is worthless (and they will be in a world of shit).

So what now?

My point is that “international waters” has nothing to do with it. That appears to be a bit of mistaken legalism.

The first take that many have is that what Israel did was illegal under international law. That being disproved doesn’t appear to change anyone’s opinions on the incident, however.

No. (and I hope I’m not getting too personal) I would say you are a bit more than your run of the mill apologist.