You just don’t get it do you.
The Gazans DON’T want to leave their land.
A full inventory was given to the Israeli’s.
Turkey customs inspected every single item.
It was stated by Turkish customs that what was on board was what was on the inventory.
The problem is Israel does not allow cement, construction materials, powdered coffee, oranges, chocolate, water treatment equipment, fresh meat (only frozen or canned), etc etc etc etc etc.
Only last month they have allowed clothes and shoes. All this stuff was brought in through the tunnels.
Mineral water was only allowed in since February 2010, they added Tahini (sesame paste) in March.
To take the cargo to Ashdod the Israeli’s would have banned 3/4 of it, that is why they decided to break the seige and deliver it to the shore of Gaza.
Current list 2010 of items allowed. Anything not on that list has to come via tunnels.
1st half 2009
1 wheat
1st half 2009
2 animal feed
1st half 2009
3 flour
1st half 2009
4 cooking oil
1st half 2009
5 cooking fat
1st half 2009
6 sugar
1st half 2009
7 salt
1st half 2009
8 pasta
1st half 2009
9 dates
1st half 2009
10 garlic
1st half 2009
11 chick peas
1st half 2009
12 rice
1st half 2009
13 beans
1st half 2009
14 lentils
1st half 2009
15 kidney beans
1st half 2009
16 margarine
1st half 2009
17 dairy products
1st half 2009
18 powdered milk
1st half 2009
19 frozen meat and fish
1st half 2009
20 frozen vegetables
1st half 2009
21 animal medicines
1st half 2009
22 gas for medical use
1st half 2009
23 empty bags for flour
1st half 2009
24 medicines and medical equipment
1st half 2009
25 female hygiene products
1st half 2009
26 nappies (diapers)
1st half 2009
27 toilet paper
1st half 2009
28 detergent
1st half 2009
29 washing liquid
1st half 2009
30 shampoo
1st half 2009
31 soap
1st half 2009
32 toothpaste
1st half 2009
33 toothbrushes
1st half 2009
34 cleaning products for tiles
1st half 2009
35 cleaning products for glass
1st half 2009
36 toilet-cleaner
1st half 2009
37 yeast
1st half 2009
38 fertilised eggs
1st half 2009
39 fruit
1st half 2009
40 semolina
41 polythene for greenhouses June 2009
42 agricultural materials June 2009
43 tea October 2009
44 coffee October 2009
45 instant coffee November 2009
46 canned tuna November 2009
47 salami November 2009
48 canned meat November 2009
49 washing-up sponges November 2009
50 bath sponges November 2009
51 cloths for mopping the floor November 2009
52 baby wipes November 2009
53 other canned goods, with the exception of tinned fruit November 2009
54 zaatar (dried herb mix) November 2009
55 sesame seeds November 2009
56 black pepper November 2009
57 chicken stock powder November 2009
58 blankets November 2009
59 olives December 2009
60 matches December 2009
61 candles December 2009
62 sticks for brooms December 2009
63 rubbish bins December 2009
64 mops December 2009
65 hand-cleansing gel December 2009
66 aniseed December 2009
67 cinnamon December 2009
68 camomile December 2009
69 unfertilised eggs December 2009
70 glass (to a maximum of 200 trucks) December 2009
71 water-dispensers December 2009
72 potatoes December 2009
73 mineral water February 2010
74 tahini (sesame paste) March 2010
75 combs March 2010
76 hair brushes March 2010
77 clothes March 2010
78 shoes March 2010
79 wood (for doorposts and window frames) April 2010
80 aluminium April 2010
81 kitchenware April 2010
Just to add when they say fruit.
That is changed daily. Some days they allow apples, other days they switch it to peaches and take the apples off. Dates are allowed any day of the week. If you think they allow all fruit then you are mistaken.
It is what they decided that week or day that is allowed and that might just be a week of guava.
As you can see the Gazans will not starve. They are undernourished. I’m sure you would all get a bit sick of eating penne pasta with kidney beans twice a week and rice and chick peas the rest of the week. Canned meats are too expensive to buy and are luxury items to most Gazans.
Not something you can say about the US media.
Is the intention of the Israeli’s with these blockades and sanctions, to force Hamas into charging so much for the goods it needs to provide for its supporters, that they eventually revolt and destroy Hamas themselves?
and Egypt could cut off all gas supply to Israel.
As did I, the person being called a Nazi.
So far, so good
If you would be so kind as to explain the logic underlying that proposition?
of course it is why else do you think all this is going on.
The US asked for a democratic election in Gaza thinking Hamas would have no chance of winning. When the results of the democratic election came through Israel and the US would not accept the result. The people wanted Hamas and after the recent events they all seem now to realise that Hamas are right. The PA is nothing but a puppet of the US. Israel does not want peace, and the US is not and never will be an honest broker for peace.
Amazing that a country currently in 2 wars, and with it’s tentacles in so many other conflicts is the major broker for peace. A joke right?
Eyes are opening. It seems Hamas has been right all along and this event has only strengthened Hamas and most likely the Taliban and Al Qaeda too.
This is a victory for Hamas make no mistake about it.
It makes Khalid Meshaal look like Desmond Tutu.
Steady on, Padawan, I was just asking for confirmation.
The BBC has some quotes from people taken captive that have now been released:
Claims of detonations before the soldiers rappelled onto the boats:
Claims of equipment confiscated and not returned. Equipment that probably has footage of what the Israelis did on them:
Claims of electric shock weapons:
Claims of Israelis beating people on other boats as well:
Agent provocateurs? You’re kidding, right? That’s a little conspiracy theory over-the-topness I’d say.
The (unspoken) goal of both Israel and Egypt was that the population will eventually kick the Hamas out, indeed.
Bullshit.
Why would Israel take any other country’s word (with the exception of maybe the USA) WRT shipping manifests for goods being shipped into an area like Gaza? Particularly a Muslim country?
Most certainly.
If that’s the attitude that Israel takes, then why should ANY other country trust her? Why should any other country respect Israel and the “rules” that Israel wants to live by.
In fact, if Israel wants to behave that way, isn’t it all the more reason to try and bust the blockade?
And remember, we are talking Turkey here, a member of NATO and the EU, a country that is an active member of the international community, its not like we’re talking about North Korea. Or for that matter it’s not like we’re talking about a country that made an offer to sell nuclear weapons to an international outcast in contravention of an arms embargo.
You think other countries don’t inspect cargo coming from Israel? This is kind of ridiculous, although compared to the blockade itself it’s small potatoes. If they wanted to inspect the cargo, that’s not some kind of affront that makes them a rogue state.
Er excuse me, but that’s not the assertion that was made.
The assertion that was made, in effect, was that the MUSLEM Turkey would deliberately lie and purposely allow arms into Gaza.
That’s a little bit different to inspecting cargo upon arrival you know.
It doesn’t help to be deliberately mis-representing what was said, and I would have thought a moderator should know better.
I’m just trying to understand all sides of this issue. Its a fact that many, many Muslim people and nations hate Israel and Jews, and vice-versa I’m sure. Even if Turkey is a NATO member and considered somewhat Israel-friendly, does that place them outside the realm of possible collusion with fellow Muslims in Gaza, or Hamas?
I’m just saying that given the history between Arab Muslims and Israeli Jews, neither side has given the other much reason to trust one another.
Furthermore, inspection of shipping, as Marley notes, is a pretty standard affair across the globe, no matter the country of origin.
Just to note: Turks aren’t Arabs.