Hofstra University in NY. Woman is at a party with her boyfriend. She leaves, by herself. Decides on the spur of the moment to have groups sex in a bathroom with several strangers. One of the strangers videotapes the action. She comes back to her boyfriend’s room afterwards. He senses that something is up, calls her on it. She lies, says she was raped.
The falsely accused men are brought before the TV cameras and roundly condemned nationwide as the worst sort of predators, the epitome of masculine evil.
Then the phone video is revealed. Charges are dropped. No penalty for the false accuser.
You aren’t going to get much traction on this board for this issue. The official position here is that false accusations almost never happen, and all accusations should be taken as true.
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If some men are hurt by this, well, they were asking for it, weren’t they? If they didn’t want to have their lives destroyed, their academic careers ended and reputation ruined, what were they doing having sex outside of a committed relationship anyway? And even if they were in a committed relationship, what did they do to make the woman angry? After all, that’s what’s really important. A woman is pissed off. Something must be done about it!
You didn’t say *where *either, you only said here.
On Earth?
Online?
In whatever corner of the world you inhabit?
On this site?
Or in this thread, the current frame of reference these posters have in this discussion?
The false accuser in the Hofstra case was given 250 hours of community service and—more importantly, i think, in this case—was required to undergo (and pay for) one year of psychiatric counseling.
You might not think that this penalty was sufficient, and i would possibly agree with you, depending on what her mental status is. But whether you think that or not, your assertion of “no penalty” is flat out wrong.
As for the case raised in this thread, you and the OP will have to forgive me if i prefer not to jump to any conclusions quite yet. Without further evidence, i’m not inclined to grant the Dubai authorities much credibility regarding what does and does not constitute consensual sex, given the attitude to sex and to women’s rights in the United Arab Emirates.
Here’s a case from 2010 where a woman retracted her allegation of gang-rape after she was “threatened with lashes for having premarital sex.” As one Dubai-based analyst said:
So, in the case that began this thread, the police organization making the claim that the cellphone video showed consensual sex is the same police organization that arrests women for making accusations of rape. I don’t have much confidence that the people involved in this criminal justice system understand consent in quite the same way that i do. I’d be willing to bet that if they saw a video of an extremely drunk or drugged (and therefore non-resisting and non-combative) woman having sex, they would conclude that the sex was consensual.
I’m not discounting the possibility that the woman simply lied. The Hofstra case, and some other over the years, shows that this does sometimes happen. But right now, when the authorities i’m being asked to trust in this case are the the Dubai authorities, i’m not willing to grant full credence to their interpretation of events without further evidence. Frankly, i’d need to see the video myself, although i understand that this is unlikely to happen.
I was going to write a response but mhendo did a better job.
You, Ace and BJ all believe that the world is filled are false accusers, you need to video your sex acts, and that this story demonstrates you’re correct; but others of us don’t agree.
As mhendo and I have posted, the police there have a different standard for consent. The video could very well be damning evidence if the incident had occurred in the States or the UK. At which point, video taping your crime doesn’t seem like such a bright idea, does it? I’m sure that Brock Turner is really happy that he kept his phone in his pocket.
Before you get your panties in a further twist, I’m not saying that false accusations never occur. Obviously they do. However, it’s just not the clear-cut case which you believe.
Video surveillance and alarm systems are everywhere. Most new homes come with them.
You can buy a DIY multi camera wireless system for under $800.
I plan to get estimates from a local security company after the holidays. My neighborhood has declined in the past decade and I need a monitored security system.
There’s nothing wrong with using that video to clear yourself of accusations to. Maybe some neighbor claims I punched him. I’d be stupid not to use that video to clear my name.
I don’t expect for a situation like that to occur. Video is primarily something you can provide police after a break in.
Right. Sure you don’t. That’s why in the other thread you cherry picked a study which claims that up to 50% of reports of rapes are false and why you are fixated on recording sexual encounters as evidence against false accusations, starting this thread to remind us of your earlier thoughts.
That’s all just evidence that you don’t believe it.