U.S. Supreme Court Definition of Obscenity.

I (seemed to) failed the first time that I posted this. So please forgive me if I am posting it again.

From time to time I notice members of this board make references to the legal concept of “obscenity”. For liberal libertarians like me there is no contest: actual explicit images that involve consenting adults should be legal period. And, images and writings that only involve fictitious “virtual” violence and minors should be legal too. Anyways, just in case anyone didn’t know, I thought I’d outline the Supreme Ct.'s definition of obscenity for once and for all…

The U.S. Supreme Ct. first tackled the subject of obscenity in 1957 in the now-famous Roth v. the U.S.. Prior to that the only common-law notion that the legal concept of obscenity was meant to keep explicit material out of the hands of minors prevailed. The only problem was that that had the tendency to reduce competent adult down to the level of minors. The Supreme Ct. took that weakness of the older definition into account when it finally settled on its definition. Please read:

Something will be considered obscene (and thus not protected by the U.S. Constitution) if it meets all of the following criteria:
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[li]The subject matter as a whole appeals to the prurient interests of the average person, using the community standards.[/li][/ul]
Analysis: “Prurient interest” is defined as an immoral or unhealthy interest in sex–using the standards of the community. Whether “community standards” refers to just one community or the U.S. as a whole is a perennial question.
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[li]The work depicts or describes in a patently offensive way, sexual acts specifically mentioned in the state’s statute.[/li][/ul]
Analysis:This clause is meant to “isolate” so-called “hardcore” pornography, with its graphic sex acts. Please also note that clever camera angles and blacked-out areas may circumvent the “patently offensive” part of this clause. The federal govt. can also outlaw obscenity, if it uses the state’s standards.
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[li]The work as a whole lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value.[/li][/ul]
Analysis: So although so-called “pornographers” might consider their work an art form, the highest court apparently disagrees.

Now we get to the fun part…

Gray Areas:
-Private Possession of Obscenity: As I’ve already [http://207.68.164.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=5a6431b0bd5fc322b1e440c8d72e4f77&lat=1022139572&hm___action=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D111499%26goto%3Dnewpost](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=111499&goto=newpost <[url)&gt;]said, it is always legal to possess obcene material, if you are a consenting adult and the material is about consenting adults and you are reading it in some private place–like your home.
-Child Pornography: Even if it falls short of the three criteria that I have listed above, child pornography may still be illegal–and so is private possession of it. This is especially true if it involves actual rape of an actual child.
-Children and Public Display: These are actually two separate issues, but I will deal with them in the same line. It is illegal to sell or display any form of explicit erotica to children–sometimes even if it is “protected” speech otherwise. It may be illegal for the child to possess it–although one source I once read said this is actually rare–prosecuting the children, I mean. Similiarly, public displays of sexual material is sometimes illegal, using the rationale that it violates the rights of those who don’t want to see it.
-Prior Restraint: Outlawing adult book stores has been held by the Supreme Court to be an unconstitutional form of “prior restraint”. They can be outlawed to avoid harmful “secondary effects” that they may (supposedly) bring.

Also of note is that the phenomenon of [http://207.68.164.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=07f475bbffc229265bf0ff9f27a64a8d&lat=1022580783&hm___action=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D117403%26goto%3Dnewpost](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=117403&goto=newpost <[url)&gt;]gay erotica is also afforded all the same protections–and limitations.

And also of note, successful prosecutions of obscenity are said to be rare–according to several sources I’ve heard or read. The criteria are just too stringent. Of course, when you get someone like [http://207.68.164.250:80/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=3ab3a26e9edd0beceba0cb3f8b33eb01&lat=1022139125&hm___action=http%3A%2F%2Fboards.straightdope.com%2Fsdmb%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D113442%26goto%3Dnewpost](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=113442&goto=newpost <[url)&gt;]John Ashcroft who thinks it is his duty to waste our tax dollars on frivolous things like obscenity cases, who knows what may happen.

I hope this has all been informative.

TTFN:D

P.S. “Nudie” bars are also a protected form of “free speech”. You can look–just don’t touch.:wink:

Why did my “http:” code appear in it? I thought I did it all the right way. Oh, well.

You know I was just thinking to myself, this has to be one of the longest threads I have ever posted. So will adding more information at this point make any difference? I think not.

Actually there was simply no place to put this in the original post, so I’ll put it here as a postscript.

FYI phone sex is also a protect form of free expression. Yeah, I know some of you think this subject matter is indelicate. But where else are you going to get all this juicy information.:wink:

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BTW, is it okay to respond to your own OP twice? I think this is the first time I’ve ever done that. Oh, well.:slight_smile:

Not that it matters at this point, but there is another criteria for determining obscenity. Evidence of “pandering” may sometimes be using for establishing obscenity. What this simply means is that if someone is selling something in a particular way–that is (for example) targeting a movie at someone who wants a sexual thrill, as opposed to someone who would appreciate the artistic merit of the movie, that could prove a case of obscenity.

In case you’re wondering where I get this all this info from, the answer is a variety of places. I have taken a couple of classes in high school and college that touched on this area. I also have a couple of law dictionaries at home. I think Barrons law dictionary is by far the best. It is meant for lawyers and paralegals, but it uses a simple language and style anyone can understand. I’m glad I bought it–I wasn’t sure if I should at first.

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How interesting. Thanks for sharing, Jim B.

Care to expand on your view that fictional depiction of minors engaged in obscene acts is a-okay? Sounds very wrong to me, but I’m interested in hearing what you have to say.

I never said it was “okay”.

What I did say was that IMHO I did not think it should be illegal because, like many liberal libertarians, I believe that would be tantamount to criminalizing someone’s thoughts, since no actual crime (i.e., rape) is involved. This is BTW the rationale of the Supreme Court too.

Actually this is a very interesting point you bring up–because it has been at the center of the debate right from the beginning. Even if you think something is immoral, does that give you the right to prevent other consenting adults from seeing it?

Please also understand that I put this in MPSIMS because it was my intention simply to educate, not offend. I am sorry if the latter was the case :).