U.S. using illegal militias (including Ba'athists) to fight Iraq insurgency

The stated policy of the Coalition at the end of the Iraq War was to thoroughly
“de-Ba’athify” the country. Hussein’s Ba’ath Party (which, like the ruling party of any one-party state, was the one you had to sign up with if you wanted any kind of important government job – so practically every ambitious person who did not find its ethics or ideology utterly abhorrent did join) was officially banned and dissolved in June 2003. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba’ath)

Since then former Ba’athists have provided one source of the anti-occupation insurgency. We all know that. Less noticed by the media up to now is that the U.S. has at the same time been recruiting and funding private militias to fight against the insurgents – including Ba’athist militias – and this could produce a political crisis. From “Let a Thousand Militias Bloom,” 4/21/05, by A.K. Gupta of Indymedia, http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/147880/index.php:

I don’t know where to begin . . . I can understand how desperate the U.S. officials must be to put an end to the insurgency by any means necessary. But in the process, the U.S. is helping to fund, arm and organize both sides of a potential civil war. And even considering use of the “Salvador option” is completely indefensible, just as it was in El Salvador. And even when these militias don’t assassinate, their methods are shockingly brutal. From an interview Gupta gave on the left-wing radio show Democracy Now! on 4/21/05 – http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/21/1418219:

:rolleyes:

:mad:

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Why are our leaders doing this? How stupid and/or cynical can they be?

My feelings exactly! Exasperation that you feel the need to quote massive chunks of articles all of the time. Ill humor that you actually think a story first printed on Z-mag (you know, that hard-left rag), is acceptable as a ‘cite’. (Not that a ‘Democracy Now!’ interview is any better!)

The basic facts come from the Wall Street Journal. No point in my linking to that, you need a subscription to access the site.

Found an online copy of the WSJ article! :slight_smile: By Greg Jaffe, 2/16/05, http://aimpoints.hq.af.mil/display.cfm?id=1159:

[quote]
“We don’t call them militias. Militias are…illegal,” says Maj. Chris Wales, who spent most of January tracking down and finding these new forces. "I’ve begun calling them ‘Irregular Iraqi ministry-directed brigades.’ "

[quote]

No doubt you have plenty of cites from more acceptable sources refuting the charges then. The rest of us might appreciate seeing them…

I note a parallel here between this situation and the “denazification” policy of the Allies, particularly the Americans, in post-WWII Germany: Officially everyone who had ever belonged to the Nazi Party was supposed to be purged from all public posts and marginalized. But practically every German of energy and ambition who did not find the Nazis completely abhorrent had joined the party at some point, if only for the sake of career advancement (same reason a lot of Soviet citizens joined the Communist Party). A thoroughgoing denazification would have deprived Germany of a vast pool of talent. In the British and French zones, the occupiers took a more measured approach, dismissing only the elite party leaders, not all members. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification) The Americans started off with a much more thorough approach – but, faced with the new necessities of the Cold War, they eventually found it necessary to make use of some ex-Nazis for their own purposes – e.g., intelligence-gathering, or building up their space program (Wernher von Braun had been a Nazi Party member).

Of course, the situation on the ground in Iraq today is a lot more violent, volatile and complicated than it was in postwar Germany. However pressing the necessity might be to make use of some ex-Ba’athists (e.g., to fight against the more recalcitrant ex-Ba’athists), there are any number of ways it might come back to bite us on the ass. Especially if we allow them to use the same methods they used when they worked for Hussein.

And US politicians go to church.

So the United States government is providing funding, weaponry, and support for bands of brutal, murderous thugs somewhere in the Middle East. And this is news … why? Same old, same old, for anyone who’s been awake during the last fifty years.

Is there any evidence besides Mr. Gupta’s say-so that any of the mini-militias which have received support from the US or from the democratically-elected Iraqi government (man, I love typing that!) has actually done anything improper?

Note that the one labled “most disturbing” by the terrorist advocates at indymedia is led by an “ex-Ba’athist” who got “ex’d” on account of his assassination plot against Saddam Hussein – not exactly a loyalist.

He’s not talking about the results of some undercover investigation, he’s talking about stuff that’s been broadcast on television in Iraq – broadcast not by investigative journalists, but by the people perpetrating it, on a sort of reality show. You think he just made it up? Maybe you do. Here’s a TimesOnline story on it: The Times & The Sunday Times And one from the Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0504170268apr17,1,7688366.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

So what? Hussein does not have to decide, at this point, whether he’s safe to use; the U.S. officials do. And apparently they have made the wrong decision.

Nine posts in and I’m already perilously close to revoking my long-held policy of not using the rolleyes smily. Sigh.

Don’t be such a prude, ITR! Let yourself go and wallow in it! :slight_smile:

Oh, and look into this thread: http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=310495