No, thats bullshit. There is no magical fairy dust to get protestors to comply. Either they do it with force or they don’t do it at all. There is no number of cops that can change that equation.
Well, um, I’m a liberal and I agree with the pitting. Are you guys going to take away my super secret Democrat decoder ring now? :eek:
Wow. I’m not a big fan of some military recruiters’ tactics, think the Iraq war is flat wrong, and I would fight for students’ right to protest, but that was way out of hand.
It was a job fair; I envision the recruiters’ job there as being sitting at a table, giving out pamphlets/trinkets, taking down contact info if given, just like any other company…it’s supposed to be a pretty low-key situation. It’s not like those recruiters in Fairenheit 9/11, cruising low-rent strip malls trying to hard-sell guys into signing up. So boo hiss on the students in this case. I mean, if you really hate the war, you should be bumrushing the chickenhawks who foisted it on us, not some working stiffs.
It reminds me of something Henry Rollins said in an article I read the other day (though he is against the war, he has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places many times - he doesn’t talk about that stuff with the troops):
“Getting into a beef with the military about the war is to me like getting into an argument with a cop about the law; it’s really not the person to take your grievances out on.”
Reading the OP might be helpful. Reading the other posts likewise. Maybe even just the title. :smack: :rolleyes: :smack:
Now who was the primary target of this pitting? Go figure it out, shithead. I’ll check back with you in an hour or so to see how you did.
I pretty sure you’re incorrect. When cops know something is brewing they present overwhleming force. They do that because that is the tactic that best ensures that nothing will happen, other thatn people’s rights being protected. If a law enforcement officer can weigh in, I would be grateful.
Overwhelming force does not equal overwhelming numbers. Any cop will tell you that as well.
But overwhelming numbers is one way to demonstrate overwhelming force. In any event, that is what I meant by it, not showing up with three tanks.
That doesn’t follow, magellan. We don’t know if there were enough cops or not to protect the recruiters because the recruiters decided to back out before it became necessary to find out. The school’s preparations were probably more than adequate. It was the military that didn’t want to force the issue.
And, hey, how about that? The military showed restraint and good judgement. I don’t agree with the protesters, and I think the recruiters had a right to be there, but good for them for realizing that it wasn’t worth getting in a fight over. Isn’t that what we expect from our armed services?
Oh ok… so the translation should read: I don’t know what happened, but military people ran away from something and people I would call “liberals” were involved, so I’m fucking pitting everyone goddammit.
So far you’ve cussed out
the students who protested
the administration of the school
the police (for 2 different reasons)
the police captain
and yet, in your own words, you don’t really know what went down. You just spotted a chance to froth at the mouth and decry those damn lib’rals, and so you went and started frothing. Good call! I hope your raised blood pressure and urge to commit random acts of violence are making you feel good… because you just look like a stupid knee-jerk reactionary from where I sit.
You have very few facts and no actual experience in crowd control, but you have an opinion and a gun that you are very quick to threaten people with. Way to go, dorkboy. How’s that lifestyle workin’ for ya?
I agree with your estimation about the recruiters. But I maintain that the cops should never have let it get to the point where the recruiters are thinking “Hey, guys, this is going to get ugly, we have to get out of here.”
By the way, the line in that other thread concerning a special “Thursday” on campus, hilarious.
I honestly don’t see how they could have prevented it. They can’t crack down on the students until the students give them a reason to - but when the students gave them a reason to, the recruiters decided to leave before the crack down could start. Also, you’re assuming the recruiters left because they were in fear for their own safety. They didn’t. One of the recruiters specifically said,
The recruiters are there to make the military look good. The absolute last thing they want is for some poor dumb kid to slip and crack his skull open trying to dodge a cop. No matter how justified the military is, people are going to be screaming about Kent State and the whole thing makes them look bad. They left because recruiting at Santa Cruz (pretty much a pointless proposition in the first place) wasn’t worth some student or police officer getting hurt. Not because of fear for their own safety. The only reason the police officers didn’t “do their job” is because the recruiters decided they didn’t want them to do it.
Thanks!
Pretty good, actually. Thanks. And man, you really are a dumb fuck. But maybe I came back too soon and you didn’t get through all the posts yet. I did say I’d give you an hour.
What does the title say? Go back and check. That’s it just scrool up, that’s a good SnowboarderBoy. Look shithead I mainly pitted the students, then the school official, and very minorly at the end the Police Captain, just for good measure. And because he should have protected the recruiters right to be there without them feeling the threat of physical violence was imminent.
Another poster made a good point that maybe the school official was not as incompetent as I thought. And maybe he’s right so I left room for that possibility by placing more of the responsibility on the cops. It falls on one of those two groups for letting this happen.
So I hope this clears things up for you SnowboarderBoy. Either way, go fuck yourself with your baggy SnowboarderBoy pants that you shit and and so you can carry it around all day. And stay out of my way on the slopes. Unless, that is, you’d llike to feel the butt of that M-16 I’m so quick to use across your teeth. I’ll be the one in the camo with the rifle slung over his shoulder. Now, outya my way, boy. Go hit the bong and give yourself some more face jewelry.
Some background on Santa Cruz.
The military is about as popular, and about as inflammitory there, as the KKK. Just about every day there are protests somewhere. One of the major throughfares has a just about permanent protest presence. The darn city passed a resolution against the Iraq war as soon as it started. It’s hard to go a few steps without seeing some kind of anti-war sign or flag. It’s not like this is a new thing, or an expected thing, or even merely a student thing. If there is an anti-war ground zero, Santa Cruz is probably it.
Usully these protests don’t get too far, since everyone in Santa Cruz basically agrees. So usually people just kind of walk around with their signs and play drums a lot. So now being confronted with someone that officially represents everything they are upset about is going to release a lot of pent-up emotions.
Secondly, the police in SC arn’t too friendly with the feds. SC passes it’s laws. Occassionally the feds come in with helicopters to try to enforce their’s. People get a little pissed off when those laws conflict. Add this to the recent admission that student groups, etc. have been under survillence and infilterated, and that some kids were injured in police action last year, and you’ve got some really hostile folks.
Finally, it’s not a big town. It’s not secret where the military recruiting office is. It’s not like any student interested in the military doesn’t know where to go.
I think the recruiters went there and realized what they could have probably figured out beforehand if they hadn’t been forced to make a one-size-fits-all recruitment plan- it’s just not worth it. They arn’t going to be able to get their work done and their presence isn’t doing anyone any good. Honestly, I don’t think any police force that the small town (50k people, about 10k students) could muster up could have really handled the students anyway. It was just a bad scene all around.
Which is what I said… you pitted everyone even remotely involved in this… without knowing what they did or didn’t do, or their level of involvement. You just went off on an uninformed rant, because somehow you and your gun felt threatened or anguished by something that had nothing to do with you.
And again, without understanding anything about the situation, you assumed that the recruiters felt threatened… but they didn’t… You were wrong. In fact, they thought that the cops and the students were the ones at risk, not themselves, as has been pointed out to you.
Actually, the student protesters didn’t let this happen… they made it happen. They wanted the recruiters to go away, and the recruiters went away. Success!
The police don’t have unlimited power and ability, jerkoff. They can’t just start shooting into the crowd, or start beating people up and throwing them in the ocean (as you suggested they should have done). See, they’re bound by these things we call laws that preclude them from just busting skulls whenever some nuutbag with a gun wants them to. Unless you have proof that the protesters were breaking laws of some kind, admit that you have only a vague idea of what went on there and shut up.
You’re writing skills are on a par with your reasoning. Perhaps a class at UCSC could help you with the writing, at least.
In the end, all you’re mad about is the fact that a bunch of 18-22 year olds yelled loudly, and the police didn’t shoot them and dump their bodies in the ocean. Great attitude, pal. You’re a real credit to the country.
magellan01, threats of physical violence against other posters are not permitted here. This is an official warning.
Soooo, the way to persuade people who think the military is composed of brutal thugs that they are wrong is to beat them up ? I think you sprained a logic muscle there.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves”
Weren’t you leaving?
Gaudere strikes again!
lol yep :smack:
:eek: Are you kidding me? 
It was a joke. Notice the skiing with camo, with a rifle slung over my shoulder? Unbelievable. This warning is ridiclous.
But for the record I will state: I was joking. And I apologize if you viewed it as a serious threat. I thought I made it so over the top that even SnowboarderBoy would get it. I didn’t think a Mod would have trouble with it. But if anyone took it seriously, rest assured that I was just playing with Snow-Boy.
And SnowboarderBoy, please accept my sincere apology if you thought that to be a real threat and it caused you to take another dump in your pants.