Yeah, the apology is just suffused with sincerity.
Suck it up and take your warning like a man, ya pansy.
This is a good point. I’d like to read more about the incident, but based on that one article I think you are correct. I didn’t think the recruiters were necessarily in fear for themselves, just that violence would occur. Because if it did, regardless of who got hurt or who started it, it would turn into bad PR for the military. So, I also agree with the rest of your post.
I therefore retract and withold pitting of the police. I’ll dial it back on the school official, as well. Half -way. While he might very well have made sure a sufficient # of police were there, he did not use his powers as a school official to control his students with threats of suspension or expulsion.
Students involved in this protest, you still get the full deal. So, into the deep with you. Don’t forget to rub the blood all over and kick and flail a lot.
Oh yeah… I can see the humor right there in between you telling me to go fuck myself and to get out of your way. Right there after you claim that I shit myself all the time. Real fucking funny, asshole.
What was over the top about it? You’ve mentioned several times in this thread that you would like to see others harmed, including
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After all those posts advocating violence and causing physical harm, if not death, we were supposed to see that your post threatening to knock my teeth out with your gun was funny? You’re deranged.
And I’m sure your apology is completely sincere, since after apologizing you again claim that I shit on myself.
Your writing skills, your judgement, and your humor are all lacking. Go crawl back under that rock and get back on your meds.
Before I can even get done posting that you are a deranged, violent maniac, you post again that you think the student protesters should slit their wrists and become shark bait… you are a seriously disturbed individual.
Seek professional help.
Didn’t pit the recruiters, did I? Nope.
I didn’t say they did. The two groups refer to the cops and the school officials.
:rolleyes: What ever you do, don’t read science fiction. We’ll never get you out from under your bed. Come to think of it, stay away from fiction altogether.
I posted the article I read. You know what I know (about the incident). This pitting is a response to that article. I think that preventing people from exercising their free speech is a crime. Do you know/think differently?
No, SnowboarderBoy, Im angry that a bunch of coddled, punk kids acted as a mob to shut up people who have a constitutionally protected right to speak, something they would never do off the safety of their campus or without overwhelming numbers. But maybe some of the metal from your nose ring has leached into your brain and you are of the opinion that such thuggery is protected by the Constitution.
I’m angry that the fine young men and women who serve in our military, who are willing to put their lives on the line at a moments notice to protect us if the need should arise, get such little respect from their fellow Americans. Idiots who are too dumb to realize that we need a military. That whether you agree with a particular war or not has nothing to do with that fact.
I’m angry that we have hypocrites like you afoot who, if the people speaking was the brown/black/yellow/gay/transgendered/pro choice arm of Greenpeace and the group intimidating them were a bunch of rednecks that you’d be railing to the high heavens (godles, of course) about fucked-upness of these people being denied their rights. But because it’s the evil military the attitude becomes: "Come on, they’re kids, they have passion, they’re trying to monkeywrench the system, they didn’t actually hit anyone. what’s the big deal?
That’s what I’m angry about. You get that, SnowboarderBoy.
[Blushing, shuffling feet] I do what I can. Nothing someone else who loves his country wouldn’t do if given the chance.
Well, I get that you’re a depraved lunatic who’s given to stereotyping people even tho you have no information at all about them.
I don’t have a nose ring. I can’t be a hypocrite, because I never gave my position on recruiting. Or the military. Or my religious views. You just went with a bunch of stereotypical assumptions, based on the word “snowboarder” in my user name.
Oh, and I get also that you wish to hurt and even kill people who make you angry by not conforming to your own particular world-view. You’ve made that quite clear.
Its also clear, you are a (borderline) psychotic.
I have to agree with the OP: violence never solves anything. That’s why the students should have paecefully allowed the military recruiters on campus, to show that violence doesn’t… Oh, wait a minute.
If I would have known that this was a problem you suffered from I wouldn’t have joked about it. Maybe something about the patchouli eating away at your brain, but not the shitting yourself thing.
- Skiing in camo. 2) with a rifle slung over my shoulder. Most people would recognize that as over the top.
If assholes want to slit their own wrists, who am I to stop them?
If they interfere with others exercising their right to free speech they should be arrested. If they resist and get a little scuffed up in the scuffle, think of it as an education. After all, there in college to learn.
I think anyone who acts in a mob intimidating others deserves a good old-fashioned ass kicking.
As anotther poster already seconded, it was an analogy taken to extremes for effect.
Again, camo, skiing with a rifle slung over my shoulder… Like I said, stay away from the fiction.
My apology to the board is sincere, as they claim I ran afoul of the rules. I think that estimation is riduculous, but I have respect for rules. If they bother me that much I can always leave. As long as I want to stay I need to abide by them. So, yes, my apology to them is sincere.
I will also say that if you took that as a real threat, I sincerely apologize to you for THAT, as well. I also think your soft in the head if you considered that a real threat. But if you did 1) I apologize and 2) rest assured, it was NOT IN ANY WAY a real threat.
:rolleyes:
So when you said
what you meant was that this mob should go get their ass kicked by this other mob, or shut up? So you’re invoking a second mob in an attempt to intimidate the first mob to stop intimidating people… I would say that’s pretty hypocritical, right there.
You don’t even have anything in your OP-linked news story that says that the students threatened anyone with violence. Of course,
I had no idea that we employed psychics in the US Army. Is that where you got your psychic powers, too? You know, the ones that let you know that the school administration and the cops were at fault… Oh wait, you backed off those guys because people pointed out that you had no idea what really happened. It’s looking more and more like the only thing you’ve ever shot off is your mouth. And maybe your foot. That’s prolly why you keep threatening to club people with your gun instead of threatening to shoot them.
And since you are so incensed about mobs intimidating others, I can only surmise that you are equally upset at how a mob of armed men intimidated a foreign ruler into having to give up his country, thereby destabilizing the lives of millions of people? At how an armed mob is forcing people halfway around the world to redesign their country according to the whims of those guys currently in Washington, DC? Or is it okay, because that is “your” mob?
And if it isn’t okay, what are you doing to try and stop it?
At least these protesters, who we have no evidence to show that they threatened anyone, were acting with the goal of putting an end to the killing which they do not like or want to continue. All you are doing, on this anonymous internet board, is expressing your desire for others to endure pain and death, because you don’t think they agree with you, or because you think, with no evidence, that they acted in a manner you don’t approve of.
You’re a reprehensible, hypocritical lunatic. Self-deluded and full of hate & anger.
Seek professional help.
Well…you are a fan of Toby Keith aren’t you?
Worse than that, the protesters were interfering with military recruitment during wartime, which can be prosecuted under the sedition laws.
If a group was involved, they all could be prosecuted as being part of a seditious conspiracy.
Why? It’s called the biathlon.
Meh…when was the last time anyone was prosecuted for sedition?
Actually, thats a good question. Answers! I need answers!
You probably know Santa Cruz better than me.
Still, their feelings do not mean that they can rid themselves of their obligations of American citizenship. And again, I will point out that UC Santa Cruz has an $80 million dollar obligation to the federal government, and one of the strings that come with that apron is allowing military recruiting on campus.
I will also point out that, for all of the anti-military fervor you point out, two soldiers from Santa Cruz have died in Iraq. Many more, I’m sure, serve with honor. Their opinions count as well, even if they are in a vanishingly small minority.
The onus of allowing miliatry recruiting falls on the administration, not the students, right? Seems to me that they’ve fulfilled that obligation. After all, the administration didn’t force them to leave. Actually, *no one * forced them to leave.
Just to clarify, I think that they were right to leave before it got ugly, and I don’t contest their right to be there. I’m just pointing out that the school does not actually appear to be in violation of the Solomon Amendment.
I think it does, same if a school, in the guise of allowing protesters the right to exercise their free speech rights, in fact prevents black students from actually getting to class.
This was put to the test forty years ago. What argument won out then?
Classic magellan. Shaky analogies, condescension to folks far smarter than him, and a complete ignorance of, and apathy about, the complexities of the real world. Good stuff!
If this is a warning to stay away from your posts, it’s a good one.
Back when I went to college (Evergreen, another pinko left college on the Left Coast), I was involved in some radical politics. A forwarded email I received regarding a UCSC protest was a watershed moment for me: it described the world’s stupidest protest (against the anti-immigration, proposition, I think). Students blocked traffic to convince people that their side was right, delayed people getting home from a long day at work to build sympathy for their cause, screamed at passersby to persuade them to join the movement. Then they had several students climb the clock tower and handcuff themselves to it to show the righteousness of their cause, while the remaining students formed a defensive ring around the tower’s base. When the police just hung back and watched them, they took it as a Victory for the Movement.
Of course, the cops waited till all the kids had gone off to bed before climbing up and arresting the handcuffees–the email said this showed the cops’ cowardice.
As I read the email, I kept waiting for the punchline, the moment when the author would have an epiphany realizing that the entire protest was just so much self-congratulatory bullshit whose only effect would be to alienate potential allies and make the protestors feel good about themselves. That epiphany never came for the author; but because it never came for the author, a different epiphany came for me:
Radical politics has got a lot of dumb motherfuckers in it.
Of course, the military has got a lot of dumb motherfuckers in it, too. I can only imagine the conversation between these recruiters and their boss: they tried not to whine as they described how idiotic it was to send them out to UCSC. The best compromise they could get was that if things got hairy, they could leave; so as soon as they got on campus, they were waiting for things to get ugly enough for them to leave.
Is that an excuse for the protestors? Hell, no: anyone looking for violence at such an event is a dumb motherfucker. Anyone trying to silence political debate is a dumb motherfucker. The proper form of protest would have been to set up a table next to the military recruiters, find a Veteran Against the Iraq War to staff it, and invite visitors to the recruiter’s table to come over to their table for some counterpoints.
But it does mean that the campus probably handled the event in the best possible way. Had they engaged in idiotic magellan tactics, it wouldn’t have solved anything: at least in this situation, violence would have been the last refuge of the incompetent. All it would have done is to ignite the entire town in full-scale protest/rioting–and that serves nobody.
Daniel
What’s that got to do with it? Starving the Army of recruits – voluntary or otherwise – is a pretty good way to stop a war.
No.
If the recruiters were sitting at a table in the student union, sure, this would be acceptable. But this was a job fair, which isn’t an acceptable venue for this.
If you allow this, you’d have to allow it for anyone who wants to protest any other company there for whatever reason (animal rights, labor laws, whatever), and that would turn the job fair into a free for all.
The Solomon Amendment specifies that recruiters be allowed onto campus with the same access as other employers, and other employers wouldn’t have to contend with protesters at the next table at a job fair.