Just have to say, this cracked me up.
They provide direct support to groups which fall at various points along the spectrum of helping to pass laws mandating the killing of sexual minorities, opposing laws that would make it possible to prosecute those who kill sexual minorities, generally reminding violent savages at home and abroad that sexual minorities would be a great target for consequence-free violence, and/or upholding or creating legal precedents such as marriage inequality which enshrine in the law and the psyche of individuals the notion that sexual minorities do not deserve to be treated as human, thus encouraging or excusing violence against them.
I am already aware that, as a Christian, you take glee in causing pain and death to minorities. No need to post reminders.
And suddenly, the title of this thread becomes relevant once more.
Let me guess…another “liberal” whose attitude is “I support gay rights until that proclamation has to mean anything, and I’m getting pretty tired of these fags constantly asking for special rights like being part of civil society. We already agreed to stop killing you, why won’t you shut up and stop endangering the campaign?”
Nope. A liberal whose attitude is “Holy fuck you, Condescending Robot, are a giant jackass and I’m embarrassed to have you argue for the pro-gay side because you do such a horrible job of it.”
heh, what a khunt.
Personally, I have no trouble whatsoever believing that Chik-Fil-A has attempted to kill Condescending Robot. Not gays in general, but him specifically. It just seems like an entirely rational response to being around him for more than fifteen minutes.
That’s a rather strong statement.
How would you feel if someone said to me that they were aware that I, “as a Muslim, took delight in murdering Jews” or that Mr. Dibble “as a black man, took delight in raping black women”?
Beyond that, what is this massive victim complex you have?
I have some idea what it’s like growing up as an “other” in the US and I’ve never been remotely as bitter as you are.
For that matter, most gay people I know, including one’s who have real reason to be bitter aren’t as upset as you are and none would have anything but contempt for some asshole who after behaving like a jackass felt the need to insist “I’m not gay”.
Blah blah blah love the people who are oppressing you because everyone has to subscribe to bankrupt Christian “ethics” that conveniently enable Christians to continue kicking the shit out of gays whenever they feel like it, blah blah who cares.
The person who made the video can be a dick and the people who think working for No Fags Chicken is the thing to do can also be dicks. (The people who absolutely insist that taking money to work for a Christian supremacist cult that fundraises for its horrific activities by selling chicken is beyond any level of question as a moral activity are also dicks.)
You know, I think Condescending Robot has some really good points. Such a shame that his insights are shared only with the few here on the SDMB. Mr. Robot, would you be interested in reaching a wider audience? I think I could probably convince The Mormon Church to sponsor you for a radio show or something. You’d be a real asset.
This is a logical fallacy known as “special pleading.” Assuming for the sake of argument that Chick-Fil-A is evil, then fundamentally how is working for them any different from working for the KKK? Either way, the employee is simply trading services for money.
It’s not enough to simply assert that the two situations are different. You need to lay out a good reason why.
But I so do love KKK’s Lynch Mob Burger Supremes, char broiled over a flaming cross.
Do I order a free cup of water to chew out the cashier, or continue dining in with the kids because their paper placemats that roll up into a pointy hood are such a hoot?
Hmm, this is a tricky one…
The thing is, anyone with even the most rudimentary familiarity with the two organizations, and with more than three functioning neurons, should be able to quite easily see some fundamental ways in which these two organizations differ. If your particular three neurons are struggling with the issue, just say so and i’m sure someone can help you out.
There’s your problem right there.
Are you one of the Christian supremacists or one of the hand-wringing “liberals” who views gays as an annoying obstacle to Obama’s re-election? No matter, the end result is surprisingly similar both in terms of the public policy you will support and your failure to follow a line of argument.
“Obviously you don’t believe that any form of employment is morally neutral, or you would have to defend working for the KKK” is not the same thing as “Chick Fil A and the KKK are exactly the same.” Refusing to engage with the first (because it shows the weakness of the argument) and pretending the second is what was said is just dishonest.
You certainly have a plentiful supply of dumb.
Engaged with the argument as always.
It’s not enough to show that they are different – you must also show that they are different in some respect that’s critical to morgenstern’s earlier statement.
Here’s what he said before, in case you forgot:
It seems pretty clear to me that the exact same thing could be said for employees of pretty much any organization or institution.
Yes, my neurons are apparently struggling. Please explain how a low-level employee of any evil organization or company is not simply trading time for money without setting institutional policy.
Also, please answer my questions from post #192.
TIA.
The KKK has low-level employees?
I guess someone has to knot the ropes.
What exactly is the problem? The criticisms against Adam Smith seem to be that he berated a low level employee, not that his basic opposition to Chick Fil A is misplaced.
I personally am against homosexual marriage. I also think that those who support homosexual marriage are wrong to condemn people on my side of the debate as bad people. But if you start from the premise that those who oppose homosexual marriage are bad people; and that organizations which oppose homosexual marriage are bad organizations then it’s reasonable to criticize those who work for such institutions.