Ugly chick is "too pretty to fly"? WTF? (RO)

[atomicbadgerrace]

@Wee Bairn

Is it just me or do fucking flight attendants have waaay too much pull- you have a disagreement with one, and regardless whose right, the airline will take their side and prevent you from taking your return flight, and you have to overpay for a days notice return trip on another airline, or walk or take the bus? You don’t question the stewadress or you don’t fly, who the fuck are they to have that status?

They are the ones in charge of maintaining your safety and security while you’re 30,000 feet in the air. They are the ones who have received the extensive initial FAA mandated training required to keep you alive should something. They’re the ones who get rigorous recurrent training to keep them up to date with the latest in terrorist activity. They aren’t just the people who bring you drinks and fluff your pillow – that’s just a side job that comes along with their primary task.

When you purchase a ticket, you don’t purchase a right to anything. You don’t purchase the right to fly, you don’t purchase the right to say anything and act however you please. You purchase the convenience of being taken from point A to point B as long as you act like a reasonable adult.

I can definitely understand if you fuck with one for no reason, but this appears to be a she said/she said type thing, and in the airlines view there is no way the stewardess could have been in the wrong? It’s like the mom of an asshole who thinks her kids an angel and can do no wrong. I’m sure we’ve all seen a bitch flight attendant, yet you’re supposed to take their shit- or else?

Yes. If you see a bitch flight attendant, the correct course of action isn’t to backtalk her at 30,000 feet. It’s not to stand up and make a scene while you’re zipping along at several hundred miles per hour. The correct course of action is to wait until your plane has landed and speak with a member of management at your destination, and follow up with a letter to the airline.

Same as, oh, a cop you don’t like. I think you’ll find that the only time the airlines will automatically side with their staff is when you do something in the air. If you act like a rational being and write a letter after the fact, or call and complain, I think you’ll find that the airline will typically take a stance more in your favor.

Flight attendants are entrusted not only with YOUR safety and comfort, but the safety and comfort of hundreds of others trapped in your space. In this paranoid post-9/11 era, the flight attendants HAVE to be proactive in bitch slapping you down if you disturb the other passengers. If you don’t like it, fly another airline next time.

And yes they may be pissy little bitches, but the flight attendants could have been too. What was the point of the FA to show the guy in the loo who knocked on the door, unless it was to get back at the pissy little teen girl- what did they hope to achieve with that (if they were the guilty party) besides an altercation?

I don’t know, since I wasn’t there. But if you want a hypothetical, I can see the flight attendant being swamped with getting drink orders, preparing service, etc. Some guy taps on her shoulder and says “excuse me, miss, but did you happen to see who was waiting for the restroom?” Not thinking anything ill of it, she says “oh, it was that girl over there.” I don’t know-- it’s a hypothetical.

It’s interesting, though, that you’re quick to place blame on the airline. Don’t forget that there were dozens of witnesses to the event seated just a few feet from the altercation.

[atomicbadgerrace]

@saoirse

I used to work at an airport hotel that took in 10 airline crews a night. IME, FAs are not really qualified for that sort of work, and that’s just as well, since no one really expects it of them.

In your experience? Which is, admittedly, limited to checking these folks into a hotel after a long day of running legs?

[Justin_Bailey]

@atomicbadgerrace

They are the ones in charge of maintaining your safety and security while you’re 30,000 feet in the air. They are the ones who have received the extensive initial FAA mandated training required to keep you alive should something. They’re the ones who get rigorous recurrent training to keep them up to date with the latest in terrorist activity. They aren’t just the people who bring you drinks and fluff your pillow – that’s just a side job that comes along with their primary task.

Funny, I thought it was the air marshall who was in-charge with keeping passengers safe on a plane.

Or are they just carrying water pistols and plastic badges?

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@Justin_Bailey

Funny, I thought it was the air marshall who was in-charge with keeping passengers safe on a plane.

Or are they just carrying water pistols and plastic badges?

Well, they’re only on 5% of flights, right?

Or are they all Chuck Norris types and able to teleport to any plane requiring their ass-kicking skills?

[atomicbadgerrace]

@Justin_Bailey

Funny, I thought it was the air marshall who was in-charge with keeping passengers safe on a plane.

Or are they just carrying water pistols and plastic badges?

The duty of the air marshal is to protect the cockpit. An air marshall will not step in to stop a domestic altercation. Not to mention that air marshalls don’t fly on the vast majority of flights.

They carry real guns and real badges, but rarely will their presence or actions do anything to keep you safe.

[nashiitashii]

@Nzinga

Hell naw. Uh-uh. I admit, I only clicked on the first two, but those girls do not fit the idea that has been seared into my brain as “pretty” by American media and society more than the blond in the video. No way. She had that nose that a lot of the girls try to get from surgery, not a wide nose like the girl in link 2. And she had the shiney yellow hair like the playboy bunny girls. And she had the blue eyes like the contacts they are always pushing on t.v. commercials. And she is young and her skin is clear, and her teeth are straight, white and even like the ones on the girls on Melrose Place, or The O.C.

Yeah. The blonde in the video is definitely the ‘pretty’ that I think of when I hear the average American say the word ‘pretty’.

I definitely don’t think the blonde is “pretty”, but I don’t find most American blondes to be “pretty.” Then again, I was comparing what I thought was pretty, and not necessarily going for girls who looked just like the girl on the magazine cover just because they looked like what the media’s pushing at us. I just picked a variety of girls that I thought were prettier to me than the blonde in the news story.

@Justin_Bailey

I gotta agree with Nzinga, the girls in those pictures are nice, but I think only one or two would qualify as “pretty.” Which is strange, because I’ve seen plenty of lookers on Hot Or Not before. But those six, nuh uh.

I don’t know. I had to get through about 100 girls that I considered to be fairly ugly while looking through and finding those photos. However, I’m female and am looking for different qualities that match “pretty” than you probably are. For instance, I don’t happen to find blondes attractive 90% of the time. This does remove a good portion of the images in the media out there that I agree with on the “pretty” issue.

[catsix]

WhyNot said:
The fact that they may be cute and perky and they give you drinks and pretzels is NOT really their job - their job is to keep your sorry ass alive when you go down in flames over the Atlantic Ocean.

If that’s the case, it’s no fucking wonder there are almost never survivors. I have yet to meet a flight attendant, male or female, who wasn’t dumber than a bag of hammers.

atomicbadgerrace said:
In this paranoid post-9/11 era, the flight attendants HAVE to be proactive in bitch slapping you down if you disturb the other passengers. If you don’t like it, fly another airline next time

You’ve obviously never been stuck on a runway for five hours before. When you’re about to piss your pants and the respect-my-flight-attendant-authority 19 year-old fucknut who thinks they’re a god threatens you with arrest for asking to use the toilet, your tune might change. Prisoners are at least given a toilet in their cell.

They don’t seem to be trained to do much other than power-trip and get 12 drinks out of one can of Coke.

[atomicbadgerrace]

@catsix

You’ve obviously never been stuck on a runway for five hours before. When you’re about to piss your pants and the respect-my-flight-attendant-authority 19 year-old fucknut who thinks they’re a god threatens you with arrest for asking to use the toilet, your tune might change. Prisoners are at least given a toilet in their cell.

:dubious: I think any reasonable person will say that this behavior is exemplifying the exception, rather than the rule. In this position, I would still say that it’s best not to put up a fight. No one can arrest you for asking to use the restroom. Again, you have at least several dozen witnesses hanging about within a few feet to document the exchange.

I can’t think of a single airline that would condone such activity from a flight attendant. If enough of you spoke up after the fact, that flight attendant wouldn’t be able to abuse passengers in the future.

[WhyNot]

@catsix

If that’s the case, it’s no fucking wonder there are almost never survivors. I have yet to meet a flight attendant, male or female, who wasn’t dumber than a bag of hammers.

Eh, they’re about as smart as most of the people in my school’s nursing program. Which is to say, not very. Doesn’t take brains to follow emergency procedures someone else has thought up. My point wasn’t that they’re smarter or better than the passengers, but simply that they are, in fact, the ones the airline is going to listen to *because *they are the ones the airline has hired and trained to make these decisions.

[catsix]

atomicbadgerrace said:
I can’t think of a single airline that would condone such activity from a flight attendant. If enough of you spoke up after the fact, that flight attendant wouldn’t be able to abuse passengers in the future.

Then why are they fighting against a passenger bill of rights that would allow, among other things, access to the restroom on any flight stuck on the runway for more than three hours?

WhyNot said:
My point wasn’t that they’re smarter or better than the passengers, but simply that they are, in fact, the ones the airline is going to listen to because they are the ones the airline has hired and trained to make these decisions.

You obviously have a lot more faith in the training of people who manage to screw up tea than I do.

[Nzinga_Seated]

@ntucker

I’m a little confused by your answer. You seem to be hip to the concept of beauty being in the eye of the beholder and individual perceptions of beauty not necessarily matching ‘commercial’ beauty. And then you answer ‘Hell naw’ to someone else’s examples of attractive girls. Isn’t that … weird?

I can’t really figure out if you’re saying “nuh uh, those girls are not examples of what typical Americans think is pretty” or “nuh uh, those girls are not pretty.” But either way, it’s odd that you’d consider your opinion so authoritative.

If we are going to discuss something as subjective as beauty, you betta come prepared to deal with a lot of people with “authoritative” opinions.

Yes, I do kind of consider myself ‘hip’. The girls in those pics do not at all look like the image of ‘pretty’ (notice I didn’t use ‘beauty’ as you did. I specified that for a reason) that I have noticed the media and mainstream society overall, pushing down my throat for 33 years.

I mean, not to the extent that the blonde girl in the video does. Not at all. That is my opinion. Hell. Naw.

[WhyNot]

@catsix

You obviously have a lot more faith in the training of people who manage to screw up tea than I do.

Once more, with growing apathy:

I don’t, the airline does. The question was why the AIRLINE believes the story of its employees, the flight attendants, whom the AIRLINE trains to recognize and manage troublemakers, rather than the story of the troublemakers themselves.

[pulykamell]

@catsix

You’ve obviously never been stuck on a runway for five hours before. When you’re about to piss your pants and the respect-my-flight-attendant-authority 19 year-old fucknut who thinks they’re a god threatens you with arrest for asking to use the toilet, your tune might change. Prisoners are at least given a toilet in their cell.

Yeah, the only time I was this close to losing it with a flight attendant had to do with a toilet situation. We were stuck on the runway for awhile, and I really, really, had to suddenly go (made the mistake of drinking a couple of beers or maybe coffees before the flight). Unfortunately, they won’t let you use the bathroom not only until you take off, but until the pilot turns off the seatbelt sign. It was about 30-40 minutes into the flight that the damn thing went off, even though we had been level (or so it seemed to me) for a bit of time before that.

I wanted to piss myself just out of spite at that point.

Otherwise, all my experiences with flight attendants have actually been pretty good and I’ve never found them, as a whole, to be particularly dumb, much less dumb as a bag of hammers.

[Nzinga_Seated]

@pulykamell

I wanted to piss myself just out of spite at that point.

That is cracking me the hell up.

haaaa! I just keep laughing harder and harder, picturing you silently pissing with a look of righteous indignation on your face!

[mlees]

@Nzinga

That is cracking me the hell up.

haaaa! I just keep laughing harder and harder, picturing you silently pissing with a look of righteous indignation on your face!

Not righteous indignation, but a look of “Ha! I showed you!”.

[atomicbadgerrace]

@catsix

Then why are they fighting against a passenger bill of rights that would allow, among other things, access to the restroom on any flight stuck on the runway for more than three hours?

I don’t know why, but I guarantee that the ability to defend staff who make poor decisions isn’t one of the reasons. In my opinion, this type of regulation is better left for the airline to self-police. If you don’t like it, feel free to choose another airline whose policies are more in tune with your own.

You obviously have a lot more faith in the training of people who manage to screw up tea than I do.

Ummm… as someone who’s helped developed a great many of those training progams, yes, I do.

[catsix]

WhyNot said:
I don’t, the airline does. The question was why the AIRLINE believes the story of its employees, the flight attendants, whom the AIRLINE trains to recognize and manage troublemakers, rather than the story of the troublemakers themselves.

You obviously think that I’m taking the spoiled bitches’ side in this particular incident rather than talking about the general attitude of flight attendants that I have encountered. Then again, what should I expect from someone who thinks that flight attendants have the same mental capacity as nursing students?

atomicbadgerrace said:
In my opinion, this type of regulation is better left for the airline to self-police. If you don’t like it, feel free to choose another airline whose policies are more in tune with your own.

Considering that there are documented instances of flight attendants issuing threats to people who have asked for access to a toilet after five hours of sitting in a seat on a runway that they have not been allowed to get out of, and that sitting in cramped quarters unable to move for prolonged periods of time poses a risk of deep vein thrombosis which can be fatal, I think such regulations are needed. As of right now, no airline can be trusted to treat passengers like anything other than what they themselves refer to passengers as - self loading cargo.

Ummm… as someone who’s helped developed a great many of those training progams, yes, I do.

So tell me, did you put it in the training video that passengers have no rights, or did the fucking geniuses who push the drink cart figure that one out for themselves, much like they did the brilliant idea to wake me up once I managed to fall asleep on the red-eye from PHX to PIT to ask if I want a coffee?

[anamnesis]

Maybe it’s just because I’m a car enthusiast, but I may be the only one here who noticed the photo of these two trollops posing in front of a Bentley at the end of the video. What sort of girls pose in front of Bentleys wearing gaudy outfits and being outrageous twits? The kind with aspirations of becoming Paris Hilton, I suppose. My sister has friends exactly like this (far from attractive and and desperately overdoing themselves with makeup and horrifically overwrought fashions) and they traipse around the world oblivious to the fact that yes, their shit does indeed stink, and that they are massively fucking annoying to the point that most people probably want to stab them in the eyes the minute they open their fucking mouths to speak. They look like they’d get along great with the girls in this story.

I can tell just from their demeanor and from the Southwest Airlines response that they weren’t discriminated against for their looks, but because they were acting just as I described … consumed in their uncouthe selves to the point that it was pissing people off enough to want to stab them in the eyes. Girls of this variety always assume that the moment anyone has an axe to grind with them, it’s due to jealously over their self-proclaimed good looks. The reality is that they know they’re hideous (which is why they try so desperately to conceal it) and that their appearance is consequently their greatest insecurity. I’m delighted that they’re being made an example of. Vapid twats.

[Jragon]

@nashiitashii

Both girls are average looking, and the brunette clearly wears way too much makeup in the photographs shown. They may be pretty in that “youthful” kind of way, but they’re both going to be less-than-average looking once age kicks in. Personally, I think the blonde looks like the average “going after the farmer’s young daughter” type than the “hot girl in a sorority” type. Then again, I grew up in a portion of South Florida where plastic surgery is not uncommon and I was familiar with which girls got “enhancements” or “fixes” of some sort as gifts from their parents in high school. (These were mostly rhinoplasty procedures.)

There are much prettier girls out there who are in the “average” to “hot” range. I went to (hot or not dot com) and found a few photos of what I consider to be prettier than those girls but are within the 18-25 range:
one
two
three
four
five
six

No real order, just randomly picking girls that I thought were more attractive.

Though I find most of those girls somewhat pretty in personal taste, I think the more “standard” definition of American “pretty” would be along the lines of:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/323/snorgteesadtosend2gj0.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8461/snorgteesadtosendec7.jpg
http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/natponerd3.jpg

(there are so many posts I’ve seen dedicated to this person):
http://www.tvguide.com/images/pgimg/mythbusters20.jpg

(this one is getting really close to stereotypical superstar)

(this is the closest I could find to really stereotypical super-star pretty (what these girls allegedly thought they were) without getting into realy NSFW territory… damn google image search)

(okay so the color is a bit off, sue me)

Edit: For the purposes of this exercise we are ignoring any potential touch ups possibly done to any of these photos of course

[Really_Not_All_That_Bright]

@anamnesis

Maybe it’s just because I’m a car enthusiast, but I may be the only one here who noticed the photo of these two trollops posing in front of a Bentley at the end of the video. What sort of girls pose in front of Bentleys wearing gaudy outfits and being outrageous twits?

I’m a 25-year-old male and I’d pose in front of an Arnage if I saw one too