UK football, season 2008/09, forecasts

Hate to break it to you but it doesn’t help - see the constant talent drain we suffer each season’s end just because we refuse to pay silly fucking money in wages. You (or we) could fucking win the CL these days and it wouldn’t matter - the players would still fall into bed with Real or Barca at the first approach.

Oh cry me a river. It’s nothing to do with being part of a “sainted elite.”

Liverpool had unsettled him, Barry had half an eye on the door and his relationship with O’Neill was rather stretched. Wenger had already admitted to being an admirer as well and Barry had dropped hints he’d be open to London as a destination.

There was no way he’d move to Chelsea or Man Utd and with Villa being a good side now, that basically left us as an option as anything else would have been a step down.

The opportunity was there to be taken to at least make an approach and we didn’t. Simple as that. No ego trip necessary on my (or my club’s) behalf.

I hate the whole “big four” thing. It’s Rupert Murdoch invented nonsense and it wasn’t that long ago that it was apparently a “big three.” Hell, if you boys hold it together until the end of the season then they’ll probably start calling it the “big five” and try and pretend it’s always been that way.

I generally find, though, that the fans of clubs such as Villa have far too much of a chip on their shoulder about the bloody thing. I can count on one hand the number of Arsenal fans I know who feel we have some kind of God-given right to CL footie. Most just want to support the club and see us play well, no different from anyone else.

Much as fans such as yourself like to paint us as the “bad guys,” we’re anything but. In Arsenal’s (and to a certain extent Man Utd’s, although I hate to admit it) case, it’s a long period of good management both on and off the pitch that’s put us where we are combined with the odd bit of luck.

If clubs like Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City and yes, Villa (although to a much lesser extent) want to try and shortcut that process by paying cold, hard, cash then fair play. Their fans just need to realise that they have to leave their “real club” bragging rights at the door when they do it.

Frankly I have no problem with you, Villa as either a poster or a club ( :wink: ).

But for God’s sake stop whining about how unfair the game is, and concentrate on getting good and staying good through sensible management and nice football. Because right now as an Arsenal fan it feels like we’re stuck between the Bullington Club on one side and the Champaigne Socialists on the other.

It;s fucking lonelly here in the middle and we could use some decent company.

I like you ** garius** have I ever mentioned that before?

I’m not sure though whether you think Swansea will be meeting Spurs in the Premier or Championship. At the moment after beating the mighty Reading 2-0 on Saturday it might be the Premier League - but I’m not sure I’d want that just yet.

I do think we have one of the best young managers in the leagues right now and it wouldn’t surprise me if he gets poached from us.

Now that Kaka isn’t on his way to Man. City proves to me there is a god after all. Why would Kaka be punished by allowing him to come into contact with Bellamy?

Hello from the deep, dark pit that is being an Oldham fan after losing 5-0 at Hereford. You’re all looking like you’re in remarkably good shape from down here.

And if anyone wants to splash millions on players, we have plenty, what with a forward line with an average age of 35.5 years old and a midfield that has everything you could want (except pace, skill, strength, vision and creativity).

Well to be fair, you are called Oldham.

garius, players going to Real and Barca doesn’t have much to do with the wages. They’re very rich, sure, but it’s more to do with a more appealing league and a country where the sun shines :wink:

Absolutely - its a glamour thing as much as anything else and I can totally understand it.

My point was more that for an English club to prevent that, they need to offer them an alternative reason for staying and that, like it or not, is generally higher wages.

Mind you, I can’t see the glamour myself. I bet the pubs over there are nowhere near as good as the ones on Holloway Rd. :stuck_out_tongue:

And so the Kaka Saga ends in typical ‘We Can’t But Help Fucking Up, We Are City’ fashion. Don’t get Kaka and prompt a walk-out by Robinho (who will be a Chelsea player before the end of the month. You read it here first).

And at the same time we’ve added £50 million to the price of any other great player we go for and have squandered transfer energy better spent going after players we need and are willing to join a badly performing team with no chance of a Champion League spot.

Come rain, come shine. Come good times, come bad times - we really are a fucking joke of a club.

Just got this in my email. You can tell it was written by a Man Utd fan but I thought it was pretty good nonetheless.

Great performance by the Blues last night - Took some testicular fortitude to hang in there and equalise in the 87th minute. We’ve not played well against Liverpool for a while, been getting overrun by Big Stevie in the middle of the park. That didn’t happen yesterday, Mascherano being on the bench helped. Torres was off the boil too - missed a chance that he’d have buried last year. God help the Redmen if these two ever leave, Stevie’s been carrying the team for the best part of 10 years now.

Keane really is out of the game at the moment - he didn’t get a kick and was hauled off in the second half. He’s a good player, but if that performance was anything like he’s been playing all season he needs to move for the sake of his career. Untenable for a £20 million guy to be stinking the place out like that.

We now need to turn back the clock to 1991 when we last ended a Liverpool era. FA cup went to a second replay: 0-0, 4-4, then 1-0, a shell-shocked Kenny is out, Agent Souness in :slight_smile:

Not to speak for chowder (he speaks enough for himself :)), but I assume he was referring to the fact that whether the EPL is “more difficult” than other leagues or not, a number of high-profile players have come there and struggled, despite being outstandingly successful both before and after in other countries: Jon Dahl Tomasson, Sergei Rebrov, Andrei Shevchenko, Juan Sebastian Veron, to name just a few. There is no guarantee that Kaka will not turn out the same, though my personal opinion is that his class will out, as someone else said - he is probably a cut above anyone on my list. But you never know.

I agree with most of what you have said (particularly about teams being better off not playing 10 behind the ball), but I don’t see hitting the woodwork as being particularly unlucky. If you hit the woodwork, you’ve missed the target - all you’ve shown is that Arsenal are the most accurate missers :). If you could show that goalkeepers playing against Arsenal have a higher saves to shots ratio than they normally do against other clubs, then maybe that’s unlucky.

Well I, for one, am glad that Kaka didn’t sign.

I am now going to sob quietly wondering what the hell is happening with Robinho.

Typical City.

Innit?

Well, he isn’t going to England now (pity), but the EPL just isn’t more difficult. It’s a different league, lots of players struggle going to a new league, regardless of where it is. It’s a different style of play, and obviously you have to adapt to a new country. Sometimes things don’t work out, the EPL is hardly unique.

Hitting the woodwork is indeed technically a miss, but another season those hits all go in, and the difference is 6-9 points and whoa, you’re in the lead or close enough.

I still think there’s actually a chance that Arsenal, or even Villa could nick this title. It only takes a few losses/draws from United/pool, and surely United’s defence will have a few bad games sometime, and their attack is showing no signs of getting its act together, so who knows? Liverpool of course are the draw specialists, so I’m sure they’ll come up with a few more.

A glorious win at OT (hopefully with Chelski and pool drawing there :p) would make it interesting too!

Not that this is at all likely, but it’s certainly possible. It shouldn’t be, Arsenal should be dead and buried by now.

And yep, Citeh falling apart already, haw haw. Hughes is a joker. Santa Cruz and Bellamy for 35m or something? Is he on drugs? Those two will get Citeh to mid-table at best.

I doubt the saga was conducted in anything like a professional manner as that.

Now, now, in all fairness, it isn’t MCFC’s fault that Kaka isn’t coming to the club. That was Kaka’s decision (or, less charitably, his father’s). Probably, he didn’t see any point to leaving where he was, regardless of the money being offered. Kudos to him for having his head on straight about that.

What you CAN fault the club for is the offer in the first place. Why? Because now, having made the offer, they will face having to up wages at the club even though they didn’t land Kaka. Having made clear what they think a player of the caliber of Kaka is worth in wages, the other players will be quite insistent upon receiving an increase. It won’t matter that Kaka isn’t there. So, no Kaka, more expensive wage bill for whom they do have, or a club filled with dissension and strife. Should be fun to watch this play out.

Unless, of course, you are a City supporter. :frowning:

I really don’t like how Kaka is being beatified for having turned down Citeh’s offer. The saintly thing for him to do would be to take the money and build a hospital or something with it. He stayed for selfish reasons - because he likes Milan. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s not really something to be especially commended IMO.

Ah yes another insightful comment from a rag.

:rolleyes:

Yes, he should have gone to City and accepted a wage similar to the highest paid player on the team, then donated the rest to worthwhile charities. What an example that would have set to the rest of the greedy bastards in our game. Apparently, God told him to stay at Milan, but I’m sure if there is one it’d prefer he’d took our one of our options.

Er, you think I’m a United supporter? Insults aren’t allowed in this forum sir!

I’m an armchair Arsenal & Barcelona fan, who will ditch them for anyone who plays attractive football if they stop doing so. I actually want Citeh to succeed, at the expense of Liverpool or Chelski.

Precisely. It was obvious from the very beginning he did not want to come. It was like watching a rich nerdy kid chasing after Angelina Jolie while she’s hanging on the arm of Brad Pitt. An embarrassing, pointless waste of time that damages you in the eyes of other more viable mates.

Honestly. I wish I could hold the damn club down and punch some sense into its clueless face.

JFC, give me £150 million and I’d give you a complete new team of Premiership and good foreign stars before the month was out. Money talks but it only talks to those who need it and Milan is run by the biggest, richest crook in Europe and a politician to boot. A politician needs image and votes not money.

I’m playing the shit out of Football Manager tonight. :cool: