UK General Election {2024-07-04}

The United Kingdom government led by the Prime Minister Rishi Sunak has announced a general election.

Sorry for the double post.

My opinion is that Rishi Sunak has done a good job with the circumstances with which he arrived in office. He’s mostly met his Five Promises. In terms of capability, I think it’s a draw between Sunak and Keir Starmer. I think the Conservative government over the past 14 years hasn’t improved the UK as much as would have been expected. Therefore, Labour should be given a chance.

Reading both these UK election threads and marginally informed at best - could any other Tory leader have done better given the shitshow they were stepping into?

You must be living in an alternative universe. By every possible measure they’ve made the lived experience for the average person in this country considerably worse. Good riddance

you know I think Liz should have used her override option to block Brexit and justified it by saying she saving the UK from itself sure it would of raised all kinds of hell but she and the UK would of survived … because even though I don’t have every specific detail I haven’t seen any benefit from it what 4 or 5 years later ?

Refusing royal assent would in all likelihood have opened a constitutional can of worms that would’ve made Brexit look like a Saturday in the park. It’s likely that the monarchy would not have survived.

Exactly 1 out of 5, the inflation one. The one which he in fact had almost nothing to do with.

Your expectation must have been VERY low, as they’ve made almost everything worse, by any measure.

Rats in a sack time (I never thought I’d quote GBNews, but you take your amusement where you can):

https://x.com/christopherhope/status/1793382405203456276

Hi, Rishi!

Remember that the measure of merit for Conservatives is not the lived experience of the average person, but rather the lived experience of the wealthy elite.

Although as best I can tell from my spot a few thousand miles away, even those folks have done generally dismally out of the Conservatives’ years in power. That due mostly to Brexit and general incompetent flailing.

The number 1 issue, (with a bullet) facing the UK at the moment is uncontrolled immigration. Issue 2 is so far down the roster I’m not even sure what it would be.

The Tories have been crap at dealing with it so far. I’d like to give Reform a chance but that’s not feasible under FPtP voting.

But at least the Tories want to sort the issue, having to fight tooth and nail against the other parties, the Lords and the courts, (both UK and Euro), to even make incremental progress.

The other parties are effectively a vote for ramping it up. I’m not happy about it but I can’t allow the issue of illegal immigration to be decided by Soft touch Starmer

Good grief Colin, step away from the Daily Fail for a second and look at how the Tories have ground down every conceivable public service.

According to YouGov, it’s #3, behind health and the economy. There is a very clear age-based trend on it, too. It is much more important to the 65+ demographic than the younger crowd.

(Of course, saying “Immigration & Asylum” is an important issue for the UK in a yougov poll also doesn’t mean that that 100% of those people are for “get tough” ReformUK-style policies. That also includes the “stop being silly about this and actually solve the problem” crowd).

Illegal immigration (especially the small boats) is mostly a Red Meat issue for the UK right, and the “get tough” message is part of that. No one wants to hear, “stop the boats by providing a legal route in, followed by efficient processing of claims and quick deportation of the failed claimants, so there’s no incentive to make a risky boat ride”.

Whether or not it is in the mind of the public, should it be?

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Seems like immigrants have been a net positive to the country.

The amount of wacky shit that right-wingers will worry about when properly goaded by right wing for-profit propaganda seems to have no bounds.

Immigration is about #75 on the list of things a well-informed sane Briton should be worrying about their government getting right. Instead we have deluded fools claiming it’s #1.

Cost of living (especially utilities) and the state of the NHS are clearly no. 1 & 2 for the average person in my mind.

The only person I’ve met that thinks immigration is no. 1 is my aunt in her 80’s who spends a lot of time in conservative bubbles online. Ironically, she spent 50+ years (her entire adult working life) living in another country, and only recently returned to the UK in her retirement years. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.

Will Rishi’s expensive plan to deport to Rwanda even if it means exiting international human rights accords hurt or help him?

Immigration sure is high on the minds of tory staffers pretending to be ordinary voters in staged events. Clearly this is a topic they want to push.

The particular immigrants they focus on are the “small boats” asylum seekers (i.e. the campaign promises include the words “stop the boats”), rather than general immigration.

The number of boat people is on the order of 50000/year, which is a lot of people to put in a room, but hardly beyond the capacity of the government to process in conventional ways if they were committed to doing it.

It might help him among the crowd that will only accept a “make the migrants situation worse so they’ll learn not to come here” solution. But most of those are already voting ReformUK anyway.

Maybe it’s just me, but the Rwanda plan looks like yet another example of Boris Johnson’s wizard wheezes that spend pots of money* to no great practical effect. It fits into that narrative.

*Hundreds of millions, or nearly £200k per deportee