SCYLLA – Merely a (futile?) attempt to wrench the thread back to the OP. I don’t disagree with anything you said.
Nah, Ptahlis, I wasn’t trying to say that Gaudere is a Rottweiler. Somebody in some Pit thread a while ago, I don’t even remember which thread it was, said something about her being the leader of the Great Debates atheist wolf pack or something like that, referring to her “pissing with a baculum-reinforced penis”. And she responded to that with humor, (“woo-hoo!”) not incensed fury.
Aw, I wanted to be the Rottweiler, but I drew the short straw and so I have to be the Nice Atheist while David gets to have all the fun. 
If I can lead the Great Debates Atheist Wolfpack that’s pretty sweet, though. AwooooOOOOOooooo!
Far be it for me to question someone else’s knowledge of 80s music, but was it “Joanna” or “Rosanna”?
PUN you ignorant slut, it’s Rosanna, as in Rosanna Arquette, whom the songwriter had just broken up with when he wrote the song.
(And in case you’re too young for this as well: “Jane, you ignorant slut” is an old SNL insult – it seems appropriately Pit-ish, but I don’t want to piss you off. 
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Yeah, what Jodi said. “Joanna” was by Kool and the Gang.
Young man,
Whilst one appreciates a certain desire for knowledge, I an amazed at yor shameless insinuation that The King of 80’s Pop And Rock Trivia[sup]TM[/sup] would not be certain of such a basic fact as a correct Toto lyric.
Be ashamed, be very ashamed.
Sincerely,
Coldfire
T.K.O.8.P.A.R.T.
Just to wrap up all the late 70’s pop references up in one neat little ball, are we sure the song wasn’t about Rosanne Rosannadanna?
Didn’t it say, like, “Meet you all the way…Roseaaannn ahhh naa…”
“Need you all the way”. Sheesh. Oh well, we can’t all be T.K.O.8.R.A.P.T.
From everything I’ve observed, David B. is no harder on fundamentalism than he is on Wicca, UFO’s, ESP, astrology, paranormal phenomena, etc. Is he easy? No–but he is very fair and evenhanded in that regard.
If someone doesn’t like his personal style that’s one thing, but I agree with the posters who’ve noted that this place is geared toward proof, rational argument, etc. That can be tricky to apply to religion and such, but if a topic is thrown open for debate in the first place it’s gonna get debated.
I can understand the discomfort expressed but can’t support mandating a “kinder, gentler David B.” (The mind reels; what next? Alphagene other than his cuddly Vlad the Impaler self?) Does this understanding and restraint also apply to numerologists, channelers, past-lifers, astrology buffs, Lemurians, former UFO hostages, etc.? They’re beliefs, too, and fervently held by some.
Fair’s fair. This place discusses and debates just about anything. I don’t see how–or why–David should “lower the bar”. He and Gaudere do a truly excellent job.
Veb
P.S. I hate that song. Everyone associated with it should have been basted with honey and staked over a nest of fire ants.
I wish.
“Joanna” is on a “Hits of the 80s” CD I used to see advertised on late-night (if 2 am is latenight) TV.
Hell, I turned 10 in 1991. How in the hell am I supposed to remember songs by Toto?
I was not debating the merits ofcreationism- I was deriding your attempt to call anyone was believes in the Creation “ignorant”.
And it is good to see that you are jumping on the “Big Lie” bandwagon. The only folks around here who have accused me of that sort of stuff are the hardcore atheists, who simply cannot stand anyone who is willing & able to debate them toe-to-toe on religious matteres, without reatreating into the “well the Bible says it’s so” defense. So- since you are unable to win the debates with me on a rational level, you stoop to spreading lies & propaganda to discredit me. You say you want to fight ignorance- and the tools you use are slander, “the Big lie”, personal attacks, and rhetoric. If you are indeed fighting on the side of “knowledge”- surely you can win by logic, facts & debate. However, it is my experience that the side “in the wrong” is the side that stoops to slander & personal attacks 1st. Some of you have noted I have been attacked in a number of PIT threads- and it is so. How many have I started, where i PERSONALLY attacked anyone? The worst I have done was gently kid Euty about her 'attack" on post-count-parties. Again- the side that stoops to personal attacks 1st almost never has the “moral high ground”
And- that 3 page thread? Sure- I made an error or 2- and then admitted them. I failed to state that a verse applied to only some/most, and it did not apply to all. I never said it did apply to all- but I did not supply all the needed info. That was a mistake. I was wrong. And, we both submitted our arguements as to the somewhat confusing meanings to a recognized expert, ie Zev. And you know what- one of my interpretations was wrong. And I admitted it. Something else? Gaudere was wrong too- but would not admit it.
Which one? The Toto song, or the Kool and the Gang song? I’m right behind you either way.
DDG, for what it’s worth, the substance of your posts had you accusing David B of being unfair, and then refusing to support your assertion (“David, I cheerfully admit to having not a single shred of evidence to prove that you’re the resident Rottweiler, and that I spent last spring and summer watching you and some of the others take chunks out of various Fundie legs.”). You were being pleasant, and funny, and all that, in the style of your post (I think David B misinterpreted your self-deprecaton for sarcasm), and he was being harsh in the style of his. As far as content, though, the simple truth is that he could back his shit up, and you would not. It was, then, a baseless accusation that you made, and it would be criminal if you didn’t catch hell in GD for a baseless accusation, especially from the guy you’re indicting.
And, folks- remember i try to ‘combat ignorance’ in the evolution vs creation battle. When somebody comes on with some half-baked idea or flawed psuedo-science that tries to prove evolution “scientifically” wrong- i jump right in there to defend evolution. Personally, I beleive in “guided cosmology”, ie that the earth, etc was created all by scientific natural means, but that a “Hand” guided such things as the creation of life and Human evolution. But, if someone wants to say that the Earth is only some 6000 years old- but was created exactly as if it was billions- then I will “accept but not agree”.
Oh, and 'toto" was a typo for “total”. Arthritis in the fingers- sorry, I know it sometimes makes my posts kinda hard to read.
Eutychus55 is a man, Daniel, as has I believe has been explained to you before and as anyone who has read 2 or 3 of his posts should know. If you can’t even get basic facts like this right, you shouldn’t wonder why so many people don’t trust you.
For the love of St. Concepta’s jacuzzi, can we ever have a rant about DavidB, and not have a certian member of the Arquette family disrupting a perfectly good thread.
that’s the dutch for ya.
how do you like them apples?
Oh yeah, that’s me–Mr. Bandwagon Jumper. It’s not like I’ve ever actually read your posts. :rolleyes:
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Riiiiiight. How many Pit threads or accusations of dishonesty have you seen concerning Polycarp, tomndebb, or cmkeller? A quick guess is “zero,” or maybe “one.” And yet you seem to attract these accusations. Could it be because you are, well, dishonest? Hell, on another thread just yesterday I caught you again, claiming that Catholics think the Pope is infallible.
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Whatever, Daniel. You do a fine job of discrediting yourself every time you let your fingers touch the keyboard.
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That is about the most absurdly reductionist recap of what happened that I have ever seen. I recommend that everyone read that thread to see exactly what happened.
When I signed on, I spent most of my time lurking in Great debates.
I like David. He does not suffer fools gladly, and when you say something really stupid, he’ll let you know. Sometimes. More often than not, he’ll let it go.
It’s called Great Debates. Learn how to present your case, or stay the hell out.
If I say something controversial there, I *expect[/] to be questioned on it, and to defend it.
If I’m not prepared to do that, or if I take exception to being challenged, then I haven’t posted my topic to learn something. I’m merely pontificating.
I have no use for people like that. Apparently, neither does DavidB.
And I obviously still have not mastered the codes.