Unite the Right Racist Scum

[octopus]

@GIGObuster

Nah, you are still going for that explanation like an idiot.

Again, me and many others have told you that we do disagree with the ones that do that; you are only attempting, stupidly I have to add, to make me and many others as if we are continuing to ignore that.

Again, stupid.

The OP already made clear to what you point out. The issue here is to deal with the ones that did use violence to prevent others to protest peacefully against racism, slavery and genocide proponents.

Fascinating spin.

[bobot]

@octopus

So, of all the posts in this thread calling for murder and dishonestly attacking other posters, that one comment inspired you to respond?

I can’t speak for him, but I’d bet it was more of a cumulative approach.

[Anny_Middon]

@madmonk28

Yeah, Breitbart News is the flagship of the modern American conservative movement. Establishment Republicanism pandered to white racists since the Southern Strategy and have been taken over by it.

Is it really Breitbart News? 'Cause I was going to say The National Enquirer.

[Steve_MB]

@Old_Time_Hockey

The whole world saw the Trump base in their real uniforms today

Actually, no – they didn’t even have the (albeit infinitesimally) redeeming trait of Hugo Boss fashion sense.

[Siam_Sam]

The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not Sailboat’s wife.

The sad fact is we have a filthy piece of trash for President, one who has a long history of pandering to white extremists. And we have some real pieces of trash on this Board who feel no compunction about defending Nazism, belying the simplistic notion that this Board is any sort of “family.” I put trash like that on Ignore, and I would caution other not to feed the trolls.

[Stringbean]

Who here has actually defended Nazism - that is, the ideology of white supremacy and racial genocide? Please cite them.

What I see is a classic confrontation involving the principle of free speech (including the right to express hate speech). Defending the rights of white supremacist to express themselves should not be seen as defending white supremacy. This point must not be lost amid the scrambling as we react to this debacle.

[ElvisL1ves]

@Siam_Sam

The murdered victim of the Nazi scum has been identified as Heather heyer, 32. I sure hope that is not Sailboat’s wife.

Reports are she lived alone with a cat.

But he’s certainly got other priorities.

[SteveG1]

@Aspenglow

Better late than never, I suppose. Funny thing, though. They all heard Trump’s calls to violence during his campaign, exhorting those in his crowds to beat people who disagreed with him, offering to pay for their defenses, the birtherism and all the rest. All I heard then was crickets among these oh-so-concerned Republicans.

They all knew exactly what they were getting, and they sure didn’t care.

You describe the hypocrisy pretty good there. I’d say it’s accurate. I want to say better late then never, but …

[Steve_MB]

@Siam_Sam

Pfft! Those Nazi protesters are sub-human. I could not care less what happens to them. Officers, take whatever actions you feel are necessary
Woody Allen: Has anybody read that Nazis are gonna march in New Jersey? Ya know? I read it in the newspaper. We should go down there, get some guys together, ya know, get some bricks and baseball bats, and really explain things to 'em.
Party Guest: There was this devastating satirical piece on that on the op-ed page of the Times, just devastating.
Woody Allen: Whoa, whoa. A satirical piece in the Times is one thing, but bricks and baseball bats really gets right to the point of it.
Another Party Guest: Oh, but really biting satire is always better than physical force.
Woody Allen: No, physical force is always better with Nazis.

– Manhattan (1979)

@octopus

TV shows aren’t typically the foundations of a moral code. What next? Quoting Negan?

Hokay, here’s a quote from a source that you will no doubt find more sympatico:

Like when you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over? Like, don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody—don’t hit their head. I said, you can take the hand away, O.K.?

[SteveG1]

@treis

That’s ridiculous. This unite the right, supposedly the largest gathering of white nationalists in decades, managed to gather only a few hundred nazis. That’s a tiny tiny number and its absurd to use them to paint the entire right as nazis.

Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

[SteveG1]

@Claude_Remains

My grandfather died in a concentration camp. He broke his neck when he slipped and fell off a guard tower.

My relatives (dad and uncles) spent the war killing the bastards.

[GIGObuster]

@Stringbean

Who here has actually defended Nazism - that is, the ideology of white supremacy and racial genocide? Please cite them.

What I see is a classic confrontation involving the principle of free speech (including the right to express hate speech). Defending the rights of white supremacist to express themselves should not be seen as defending white supremacy. This point must not be lost amid the scrambling as we react to this debacle.

What I see then, if not Nazis, are useful idiots like you that still have trouble understanding that the Thread is not really about free speech **because someone did not use speech in this case to counter the opposition. **

And in this case it is clear that we are really defending also the free speech of the ones that oppose racism, slavery and genocide.

[IvoryTowerDenizen]

@Claude_Remains

My grandfather died in a concentration camp. He broke his neck when he slipped and fell off a guard tower.

My grandmother, cousins, and aunts died in concentration camps in the gas chambers. Taken there in front of my mother and three of her sisters.

You’re a real fucking hoot.

[SteveG1]

@Leaper

Yes, I suppose technically, “I want all non white, not straight people to leave the country or die because they’re inherently inferior to me” is an “ideological difference”. But as has been demonstrated constantly, that doesn’t mean it’s deserving of respect or lively discussion.

‘Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live.’ – Adolf Hitler
That was on at least one shirt this weekend. The piece of shit was also packing a gun. He was probably hoping to use it.

[Siam_Sam]

@ElvisL1ves

Reports are she lived alone with a cat.

Ah, no, looks like that was a Chihuahua.

[SteveG1]

@Smapti

Just to be clear, you realize you’re defending NAZISM as being a valid political point of view that deserves respect when it’s expressed openly?

My God, what a piece of shit you are, and the same goes for all the rest of you making any excuses at all for these people and their behavior.

Nazis are not good people, they are not good Americans, and they are not patriots. Their ideology is insidious, vile, anti-human, and wholly against everything that makes this country great. (That’s what you want, right? For the country to be great?) Hundreds of thousands of real American patriots gave their lives to scourge this evil from the world once, and it’s the patriotic duty of any real American to stand against them with every fiber of their being.

I don’t give two fucks if some of the “antifa” (and how ironic it is that you lot use “anti-fascist” as an insult) were prepared to defend themselves against Nazi aggression. This is not a “both sides do it” situation. These are not people who care about anyone’s “freedom of speech” besides their own and would gladly take it away from millions of Americans. The alt-right are enemies of the American people and if our president wasn’t a brainless coward he’d be rounding them up and giving them the same kind of treatment he fantasizes about giving to brown terrorists, and anyone who carries water for them is just as much of an un-American turd as they are.

Too bad there was no heavily armed and well trained “antifa” in the Warsaw Ghetto.

[Ramira]

@SteveG1

Too bad there was no heavily armed and well trained “antifa” in the Warsaw Ghetto.

this is joking yes?

[Stringbean]

@GIGObuster

What I see then, if not Nazis, are useful idiots like you that still have trouble understanding that the Thread is not really about free speech **because someone did not use speech in this case to counter the opposition. **

And in this case it is clear that we are really defending also the free speech of the ones that oppose racism, slavery and genocide.

I have seen several posts in this thread advocating that we ban speech that is sympathetic to Nazism and white supremacy, as well as several responses stating that such a ban would be wrong in principle.

When acts of violence are involved, it obviously is no longer a matter of speech.

I might start a thread specifically on this so as to avoid conflating it with reaction to the terrorist car attack.

[SteveG1]

@Smapti

Then you must be furious at the Nazis for showing up armed and murdering people, right?

And yet you keep defending them.

The simplest explanation …

[Spice_Weasel]

@Stringbean

Who here has actually defended Nazism - that is, the ideology of white supremacy and racial genocide? Please cite them.

What I see is a classic confrontation involving the principle of free speech (including the right to express hate speech). Defending the rights of white supremacist to express themselves should not be seen as defending white supremacy. This point must not be lost amid the scrambling as we react to this debacle.

Most people aren’t advocating for the suppression of free speech, and we don’t take kindly to broad pronouncements showing up in this thread and elsewhere about the stance of ‘‘the board’’ or ‘‘the left’’ on these issues.

I don’t agree that all people on the right are Nazi sympathizers. I do agree that Trump’s refusal to take a hard-lined stance, and use of violent and racially charged rhetoric, have made him the candidate of choice for white supremacists. And that he is 100% ethically to blame for that. And that his actions empowered Nazis to come out of the shadows and do their gross Nazi thing. And some people, even on this board, apparently love Trump more than they hate Nazis.

What I don’t understand is why people are so vociferous about the free speech issue when their right to free speech was fully exercised, with a really shitty, violent outcome, so twisting these pieces of shit into ‘‘victims’’ worthy of defense is incomprehensible to me and many others. I have seen all day long people on this board attempt to minimize how actually bad it is to be a Nazi in order to buttress their free speech arguments. And those turning this back on the left? That is reprehensible bullshit.