Yes, I suppose technically, “I want all non white, not straight people to leave the country or die because they’re inherently inferior to me” is an “ideological difference”. But as has been demonstrated constantly, that doesn’t mean it’s deserving of respect or lively discussion.
Well that’s fine. I don’t see a single person on these boards advocating that point of view. What I see is some people advocating that those who feel that way can peacefully express themselves. Others are advocating murder. Who’s the real danger to liberal society?
You might be aware of the tiny matter of a war fought over those “ideological differences”. The one that led to over 60 million people dying over “Blood and Soil”? A woman was murdered today due to ideological differences. Similar “ideological differences” led to the murder of 7 black people while praying in church. Chanting that Jews, niggers and faggots would be “replaced” is what I’d consider a threat more than an ideological difference. That rhetoric has already led to murder and other violence and you’re constantly eliding it to focus on the victims. There’s your danger to liberal society.
Seems like if you were interested in peaceful resolution, then you’d be chiding those folks instead of the victims but your focus is on “People are saying don’t physically attack those who have a legal right to assemble.” And if the Nazis attack people, well that’s their own fault for …what exactly? The victim blaming has run from attacking the Nazis (despite the murder of the woman and others in critical condition), to simply being present, to speaking up against Nazis, to having counter-protests to …what’s the next excuse?
Just to be clear, you realize you’re defending NAZISM as being a valid political point of view that deserves respect when it’s expressed openly?
My God, what a piece of shit you are, and the same goes for all the rest of you making any excuses at all for these people and their behavior.
Nazis are not good people, they are not good Americans, and they are not patriots. Their ideology is insidious, vile, anti-human, and wholly against everything that makes this country great. (That’s what you want, right? For the country to be great?) Hundreds of thousands of real American patriots gave their lives to scourge this evil from the world once, and it’s the patriotic duty of any real American to stand against them with every fiber of their being.
I don’t give two fucks if some of the “antifa” (and how ironic it is that you lot use “anti-fascist” as an insult) were prepared to defend themselves against Nazi aggression. This is not a “both sides do it” situation. These are not people who care about anyone’s “freedom of speech” besides their own and would gladly take it away from millions of Americans. The alt-right are enemies of the American people and if our president wasn’t a brainless coward he’d be rounding them up and giving them the same kind of treatment he fantasizes about giving to brown terrorists, and anyone who carries water for them is just as much of an un-American turd as they are.
That’s exactly right. I’m more concerned with the strategic concept of promoting classical liberal thought of individual and fundamental rights. If that means promoting the rights of those who hold abhorrent thoughts then I will. I don’t have any problem with promoting the rights of communist, Nazis, religious people, atheists, gay people, straight people, whatever type of people.
Have I seen stuff that makes me rethink my commitment to freedom of speech, etc? Yes. And it’s hard to reconcile that. But protesting over or for a Gen. Lee monument is not a problem for me.
I don’t like Bricker at all, but in no way did he condone these people. I think he’s wrong about what freedom of speech is really about–it’s about ensuring the party in power can’t silence its opposition, not about allowing vile speech (obscenity laws were still created and still exist)–but he was just describing the law after being specifically asked to do so, and made sure to say he doesn’t condone any of these supporters, even not counting the violence.
And, yes, this is fucking horrible, and I do hope these guys are punished. I’m fine with people feeling a bit violent in their rhetoric right now. And, while I don’t condone a violent war, I do condone a war on white supremacy. A full out culture war. Let’s stop acting like their smaller numbers are good enough.
I’ve been lobbying my local area to stop doing business with known racists. These guys marched in public, so if we want to identify them and do the same thing, I’m down with that.
Freedom of speech means freedom from the government controlling you, and freedom from having the government ignore the law. Any legal means to stop them is fine.
Assuming these guys might be terrorists, since they seem to be slow to condemn this terrorist act? Go right ahead.
Your dumb ass can’t read either. And your dumb ass conveniently forgets that the ironically named antifa attacks groups that aren’t Nazis. People who just want to hear a speech get attacked by antifa.
It takes a special form of retard, which apparently this forum has many of, to confuse the defense of an ideal with the defense of a particular expression protected by an ideal. How did you graduate high school?
Based on historical precedent, Marxism has led to the deaths of tens of millions. What is the metric by which one idea is combated in the public sphere as “just a bad idea” and another is unworthy of debate and must be squashed through violence?
I enjoyed the video, but it doesn’t really tackle the issue of why using violence to prevent the expression of white supremacist ideology is morally acceptable, or even pragmatically effective.
Unless you are a fan of the McCarthy proceedings, where lives were ruined in the feverish zeal to prevent a dangerous idea from gaining power in the political systems of the country, we have to conclude that even a vile ideology like white supremacy must be defeated for what it is - a bad idea.
The OP was not about that sorry item you cuttlefish. It was not about freedom of speech, making one wonder why it is that you are so obtuse on that point.
It takes a special kind of treasonous scumbag, which this forum fortunately has very few of, to believe that certain expressions are worth being defended, let alone with as much vigor as you’ve been putting into it. You’re not fooling anyone with this “I don’t support Nazis, this is all about free speech” bullcrap.
When Stalinists and Maoists arm themselves and start marching and publicly calling for purges, drop me a Tweet and I’ll call them out on their BS too.
You have demonstrated that you lack the capability to distinguish so who are you to judge? I don’t see you bitching at the ACLU you ignorant fool. I don’t see you condemning all defense lawyers. You really just lack the intellectual capability to tell the difference between these simple concepts? Did they not teach civics or history at your school?
Furthermore, no one needs to defend the right to express popular views. Duh.
Lol, you Nazi. I really can’t comprehend what it’s like being as stupid as your writing portrays. Are you really that dumb and uneducated or are you trolling? I can’t tell.