Well thanks for showing all what a dismal ignorant you are about me, I also I’m on the record of disliking Marxism.
The point that you spectacularly miss is that we are dealing with a case were violence has show up coming from the white supremacists. Both historically and on the case at hand.
Another point you missed, In Europe they already made that mistake in the 1930’s.
I’m calling out radical hatred for what it is. Some guy named “Donald Trump” spent a lot of time last year complaining that liberals weren’t doing that.
A sea creature like you should now already about what a Red Herring is.
Stop being obtuse, this case is not about freedom of speech.
Fascism is radical hatred. And? Who doesn’t know that? That’s a given.
Debating tactics to deal with radical ideology is legitimate. I disagree that physically attacking them is the proper approach. I disagree that limiting fundamental rights is the proper approach.
What I don’t get is the weak support of fundamental rights. It’s a reflection of poor schooling or low intellect and I’m sad that’s the reality for many. I’m almost at the point where I want to pay more taxes if it’d lead to proper civic and historical education.:eek:
You mean like their “rights” to murder people? After all, it’s just their ideological differences.
Keep bleating about free speech and then turn right around and bleat that the counter protesters should have ignored the march(only Nazis and white supremacists get free speech of course). Keep wringing your hands if only they had stayed quiet then none of this trouble would have happened. And keep bringing up your strawmen of marxists and communists; you’re not fooling anyone in your desperate attempts to defend Nazis attacking people.
What about a movement that (on occasion) condones killing police, which one could argue was responsible for the terrorist attack where a sniper killed 5 police officers at a protest in Dallas?
Is this group worthy of its first amendment right to free expression?
That is my line and the one from many others here.
Of course by now your effort is going beyond obtuse and you are clearly trolling when this case it is not about freedom of speech, someone did die today by dropping any effort of debating and it is clear that the wife of a Doper poster (that was exercising their freedom of speech) was wounded too.
We all have our fixations. For me it is freedom of expression. Again, I’ve admitted it’s not 100% absolute. I’ve seen gore sites that I regret. But I really need strong convincing to side with those who want to curtail rights.
I think virtue signaling is stupid but here’s an example of where I disagree with many on the right. Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the anthem was criticized. I believe forced patriotism is wrong. I support Kaepernick’s right to kneel and not participate. I find it brave. I’m sad he lost his job. Does that mean I hate America because I support his rights?
I can’t believe I’m having to have this discussion.
Then stop defending fascism. These people don’t deserve a spot in the marketplace of ideas. They deserve to be shouted down wherever they go by the sane people in this nation who know and understand that the things they’re saying and the things they want to do are not OK.
Your freedom of speech is not harmed by my using my freedom of speech to decry the content of your speech.
You must not know me very well if you have to ask what I think of Black Lives Matter. 
You aren’t very bright either. I don’t care who marches. I don’t care about counter marches. I do care when people attack marches. If you can’t see the difference between murder, assault, and marching I can’t help you.
Attacking political opponents and condoning those attacks is what to today. It’s not trolling to point out that if people didn’t attack others at marches we wouldn’t have had any dead or wounded. Duh.
People who advocate attacking those they disagree with are the ones who should feel ashamed for the events of today. As well as the nuts who were involved in initiating the violence. Of course.
Then you must be furious at the Nazis for showing up armed and murdering people, right?
And yet you keep defending them.
:rolleyes:
Read it again you cephalopod, you are only discussing a straw man, unless you acknowledge that we already (and the OP did it too) agree about freedom of speech, you are now becoming either a useful idiot of slavers and genocide proponents that do use violence to prevent the free speech of opponents of confederacy followers or Nazis. Or we have to realize that you are one too.
I don’t care if you shout them down. Feel free. I do care if people are physically attacked. It’s that simple. My complaints in this thread were directed at those who think advocating an escalation in violence is the ideal method to deal with extremism.
Truthfully, if these Nazis were just ignored they’d be even more irrelevant than they are generally. Hand out cookie recipes at their next rally and leave the weapons at home. Do that a few times and problem mitigated.
What is it in human nature that lends itself to being baited?
They tried that in the '30s. Why don’t you pick up a history book sometime and find out what happened?
This is a cancerous ideology that we can’t afford to ignore unless we want the next war crimes trial to happen in occupied Philadelphia.
Showing up armed doesn’t bother me.
Defending oneself doesn’t bother me.
Assault and murder do bother me. So yes. I’m bothered that this regrettable and preventable situation occurred. I’m a sensitive soul and hate knowing that people have lost family members today. That’s bad.
Think of me what you wish. I disagree it’s a strawman. Reread this thread and others like it and you’ll see many don’t agree with freedom of speech.
So who attacked the march? Hint, only one group killed a person and left multiple others wounded. But you aren’t criticizing that group. You are consistently and only condemning the free speech rights of counter-protesters. And you keep blaming them, with little credible evidence, for the violence. Yeah, free speech doesn’t appear to be what’s driving you.
Wow, look at that, you were finally forced to throw in a comment about the “nuts” as an afterthought while lumping in everyone else on the anti-Nazi side as “advocating attacking those they disagree with”. Don’t worry, I’m sure you will go right back to attacking the anti-Nazi side soon.
ETA on preview: well look at that, free speech got forgotten again and it’s once again all about counter-protesters being so dumb as to think free speech also applied to them. I mean obviously they knew what would happen when they spoke out against Nazis. It’s almost like they wanted it to happen. Therefore, it was their own fault. Just like that little ol’ war a few decades ago.
Well, I do think that Nazi trolls should be opposed. Not for the benefit of the Troll, but to let others out there what is going on.
It is indeed important to notice that nowhere in your bait there you failed to mention that extremists in this case did use violence in an attempt to quiet the opponents of those extremists.
Stop pretending this is about freedom of speech. Nobody’s freedom of speech was impugned upon today.
I don’t have a clue who you are and don’t give a fuck what you think about one violent group or another.