United States and Israel are bombing Iran

How many IDF troops will Israel send to accomplish this mission? Because it won’t happen through an air war alone.

Not sure, but I would assume some are already there, just like last time:

Perhaps a relief crew for extra-long missions? Though wikipedia doesn’t mention such, just an optional navigator.

An additional BO and a nav. I don’t know who the 6th would be but inside info is that’s what they usually operate with in the aor. I believe the crew complement has been confirmed. I’d suspect 4 officers and 2 enlisted but we’ll see.

That sounds like a crew for an extremely extended station assignment. Which would make some sense to have an RT up. Receive and keep on station, switching crew as needed.

Iranian vessel approaches USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CVN-72) and gets struck by two Hellfire missiles

That leaves me questioning if the Iranian vessel sank and if there were any survivors.

USS GERALD R. FORD (CVN-78) suffers non-combat fire.

“Knowing” and “having the equipment to effectively do something useful” are two different things.

Regrettably, too many on the US side support Israel without question. Often for reasons that really are not a good thing for the Israelis (see Evangelical end-times fantasies).

A little less uncritical acceptance on both side is, arguably, a much healthier approach for everyone - and I do mean everyone because this dysfunctional relationship is messing up things for the rest of the world right now.

While this is true, the point might be to cause the rest of the world as much pain as they can before the regime falls.

“Does not currently have the required technology” is not the same as “will never have the required technology”. There will be great incentive to come up with some way to clear mines in the Strait of Hormuz.

Just gas for cars and SUVs costing more in the US will exert pressure on the current administration. And that doesn’t even require foreign pressure at this point.

Somebody forgot to clean out the lint filters on the dryers?

There’s no evidence the Iranian regime is at all close to falling. This is fantasy stuff.

That article mentions Mossad assets launching some drones, nothing about Israel staging troops to establish a beachhead.

…ok? Who talked about a beachhead?

I did.

Look, the International Editor at the BBC just posted an analysis that “There is no evidence the Iranian regime is crumbling.” So, if Israel and the United States hoped that the regime would go, now they have a problem, and so does the rest of the world, certainly the Middle East at least. So either they have a plan to accomplish this mission (start a civil war, maybe? Forgetting that there was a revolution in Iran against U.S. and Israeli interests), or else it is time to stockpile munitions for the next Iran war in about six months.

Iran itself is what is known as a pretty big country, much larger than Iraq (or Israel), and it does not seem clear that anyone is prepared to send in multiple field armies. (Perhaps someone more familiar with military science could calculate what it would take to take the Strait of Hormuz, for example?)

There’s no plan. This war was started with no mission and no plan. It boggles my mind that anyone could have any confidence in these idiots leading this dumb war.

Hid topic hijacking statement. What Exit?

Oh, well, if the International Editor at the BBC said so, then it must be true :roll_eyes:

It’s been 13 days. Obviously the regime hasn’t fallen yet, that’s why we are still at war. Meanwhile, Iran’s ballistic missiles have been ravaged to the point where launches are down to 90% of what they were, Hezbollah got their ass kicked so bad that for the first time in decades the Lebanese government is actually attempting to stop them from doing whatever the hell they want with their country, and Basij bases and checkpoints are being bombarded daily degrading the regime’s ability to respond when the Iranians do eventually take back their government.

From day 1 both Israeli and American sources have been saying that this will be a prolonged engagement that will take multiple weeks if not months. But Trump spouted off about how “we’ve already won” and suddenly we assume that the war is over? That’s laughable.

I’m the sure the idiots who had no plan for the Strait of Hormuz are going to wrap this up very well.

How much “good news” came out of our 20 year war against the Taliban? We killed leaders, we blew up weapons, we crippled capabilities. So what?

SO WHAT?! Our entire history in the middle east has been rationalized constantly. Oh, we couldn’t just not do anything, we couldn’t let those weapons sit there, we couldn’t let that particular leader live, we couldn’t we couldn’t we couldn’t. What we couldn’t do is make a damn difference. What we CAN do is kill children and waste money. Woopty shit.

This looks like reductio ad absurdem to me. This editor is a knowledgeable source, though of course not infallible. If said editor said so, it’s not that it must be true, but that it is likely true. Unless you have particular reason to denigrate their expertise?

Moderating:

OK, we are not going to hijack this thread into a debate about an editor’s analysis. If you want to continue take it to another thread or start one.

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That is actually the best method.

@Babale, this is on you also. That line had little place in this thread. Hidden.

The war is about Trump’s self indulgence and nothing else, therefore it’s over when he decides it’s over; not before. Neither Israel nor Iran get a say in the matter; they are just Trump’s minion and Trump’s target, respectively. Neither have the ability to stop Trump from continuing the attack until he decides to target somebody else.

The trump side of this war belong in one of the other 2 threads: