UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan [breaking news: 2024-12-04]

How many required it?

But yes, high profile cases get more resource. It is the way of things.

Another way of putting it:

If you’re wealthy, powerful, and important your murder will receive a lot more attention and resources than if you’re a poor, ordinary person.

< Overheard elsewhere >

Delay
Deny
Defenestrate

But if they know all that about him, they know who he is. And unless he’s already left the country, he’ll be apprehended in the not-too-distant future.

I’d assume that the killer was obvious for a huge proportion of them.

Ah, but that’s what they’d like you to think! And let’s be honest-no one’s getting that award money. Why pay it after you get the guy? People will work for it anyway, even a relatively tiny amount like this.

Not surprising if nobody turns him in, though. After all, snitches get stitches, and I hear healthcare is kinda expensive.

Maybe…maybe not. Homicide clearance rates vary greatly across the country and by race. NYPD is slipping…

SOURCE: A closer look at disparities in NYPD's homicide clearance rates: "It made me feel like they didn't care" - CBS New York

There has been a lot of talk about those 3 bullets with the slogan written on them. Three words, each written on one of the three bullets. But I have some questions:

1.Where were the bullets found? Were they neatly lined up next to each other, to spell out the slogan, with the words in order? (“delay,deny,depose” sounds kinda silly if you read it in reverse :slight_smile: ) Or were they scattered and fanned out the way you would expect ejected casings to fall?

  1. how do you write a word on a pistol bullet? Does a Sharpie work on smooth brass?

  2. If you write on it with a pen in one hand, you would probably grip the bullet with the other hand–is there fingerprint or DNA evidence on the bullets?

  3. There’s been lots of talk about cycling the pistol to eject bad rounds or to eject the bullets with the slogan. But why? Did the assassin load the magazine in order, like he was planning to shoot the guy with the odd-numbered bullets (first, third, and fifth), while ejecting the even-numbered ones (2nd,4th,6th) with the three words written on them, in the right order?

  4. Is there any evidence that the three bullets were actually cycled through the gun? (I assume that, after the first shot, the blowback leaves gunpowder in the chamber. so any bullet that subsequently enters the chamber would have gunpowder residue on the brass.

  5. Does the fact that the slogan is mistaken (the third word is “depose” instead of the usual “defend”) have any relevance?
    Does some odd corner of the insurance industry (or those opposed to the insurance industry) use the expression “depose” ? ( The Unabomber was eventually caught because in his manifesto, he used an odd and unique expression, only one or two words, which his family recognized.)

It was on the shell casing, not the actual bullet. And you just need to use something as a stylus that can scratch brass, etching tools and the like.

yeah, there was an article in a major paper this morning about how nervous execs of large companies are right now. That rustling sound you hear is them crawling under their mountains of money to hide.

If it really was a Welrod type pistol it would be bolt action so there is no blowback from cycling the action.

One report said the words were written on the casings with a permanent marker. I have one that writes more or less permanently on metal, though I have not subjected the ink to the stresses of being fired from a pistol.

I’m still puzzled by the talk about photos of the killer from the hostel. I get “we have pics of a masked guy in a hoody with a backpack shooting someone” and “we have pics of an unmasked guy in a hoody with a backpack in a hostel,” but some reports have concluded these are the same person. I understand why hoody in hostel guy would be a person of interest, but there seems to be some slippage between hoody in hostel guy is shooter, without further evidence.

As for the public sentiment regarding the shooter and allusions to Jesse James and Robin Hood, I attach these lines from Woody Guthrie’s song, “Pretty Boy Floyd.” This does not indicate my thoughts on the recent shooting, and I know Floyd was more–or less–than Guthrie portrayed him. But perhaps it tells us something about public sentiment and the system we are in.

“Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered
I’ve seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.
And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won’t never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.”

If I’m that guy, I’m in a Santa suit doing various gigs about town. They’ll never find me. This plot mechanism has been in a number of movies. North by Northwest with Grant dressed as a train ‘bellhop’ (not the right word?) Is one example. I remember multiple Santas in other films.

And mercilessly spoofed in The Wrong Guy.

All they know is that he checked in and out of the hostel, and that he arrived by a Greyhound on the 24th. The hostel has presumably provided the check-in records, and the bit about the bus could be based on either things he said to the hostel employees, or CCTV footage from the bus station, neither of which would provide any ID beyond the fake one provided at the hostel. While they might know who he is and are withholding that information for op-sec reasons, this seems unlikely to me as the advantage to be gained by not letting him know they’re onto him pales in comparison to the advantage to be gained by publicly releasing his real ID and better quality photos of him.

According to the Journalist’s Guide to Firearms Identification they were pretty much spot on.

To be fair, and perhaps a bit more precise, isn’t that far bottom right one actually a flintGlock?

I’m trying to understand why this guy would still be anywhere near NYC, even possibly out of the country. It has been long enough they could easily have hopped a plane to somewhere far away.

I know staying hidden would be difficult but with a little planning and savings a person could manage for at least a few months depending on where they went.

A fine point Sharpie marks brass (and non-anodized aluminum) just fine, and will not be removed by handling, chambering, or the heat of firing the cartridge.

I assume all ‘Santas’ are assassins or bank robbers based upon the films that I watch.

I’m pretty sure that poster is a standard wall decoration on every pressroom in America. Not that I expect journalists to be experts on the technical details of every niche area that touches their reporting, but come on, you can’t swing a cat in an American restaurant without hitting at least a couple of gun nerds, and at least a sizable minority have real knowledge and will expound at length at the slightest provocation. Or just spend a few minutes each week watching Forgotten Weapons, Lucky Gunner, or (ugh) Garand Thumb YouTube channels to get some basic familiarity with firearms terminology and types of weapons if you’re going to be reporting on firearms-related stories.

Stranger

But you will see an outlaw kill police officers and bank employees, who at that time were the sole breadwinners in most families, so putting the entire economic livelihood of their survivors, including their home, at risk.