UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan [breaking news: 2024-12-04]

I don’t sympathize with him at all. But at the same time, I don’t particularly condemn him, either, or, as I’ve said, join in the celebration over his murder. He’s just another interchangeably conscienceless businessbot blandly steering just another sociopathically rapacious corporation through the waters of late-stage capitalism. I’ll be astonished if his killing changes anything.

That’s my guess. Back pain is notorious for being expensive and hard to prove cause. Hell, i have a friend with crippling back pain who DOES have coverage who is staring at 4 possible causes, each of which is both expensive and risky to treat, and wrestling with what to try. But there are a lot of fights between insurers and claimants over back pain. And i bet his insurer is stingy united health care.

Also, fwiw, i reached out to an actuary chat site, and didn’t find anyone who worked at UHC, but did find someone with friends there. He said the CEO was very popular and the internal bulletin board is full of expressions of grief.

I do remember it, but only because it is the same as a character actor I like.

I remember this case, guy named Simpson, murdered his wife and another guy. They had DNA evidence linking him to the crime. I heard he was acquitted.

And I just ant to repeat this:

Where the reality is

Not the same situation at all. The Simpson case had at least some shred of plausible deniability (“if the glove don’t fit …”) along with a major dose of racism favouring the defendent. This guy has no such advantages. The fact that he’s beloved in social media means nothing.

Never mind sorry

I agree the guy looks very much like an Italian / Greek / somewhere Mediterranean guy. Which is unsurprising since that is his ethnicity. But that doesn’t mean he looks like everybody from there or like nobody from there.

With all respect to the folks who are (semi-) face blind, there are hundreds of millions of Americans who are not. And whose mind routinely sees random people and instantly automatically connects them to other remembered faces from other contexts. Not with 100% accuracy of course, but it happens all day every day to the people whose mind works that way. It was statistically inevitable that if the perp went unmasked, some people in some places would connect him to all the published pix of his face. And some fraction of those people would phone it in.

If he was still at large now and into the reasonable future, the amount of coverage of this cooling case would tend to decline over time. Two months from now he’d be very much last year’s news. The internet famously never forgets, but everyone’s feed of the internet has the attention span of a hyperactive 2yo child.

So all he really needs to do is remain with his face covered for a month or two until the furor subsides. Then his odds on slipping around unrecognized get much better. But not when he visited that McDs, a couple days after the shooting.

It really depends on how low you want to go as a defense attorney. The Simpson team’s legal strategy basically consisted of putting the LAPD on trial in front of a mostly black jury in an era when the LAPD was known for racist shenanigans.

A lawyer in this case might be thinking a similar strategy, but with the insurance industry, is worth a try. An acquittal, though, is probably too much to hope for. Even O.J. didn’t have to worry about a video of him committing the crime. But I can see a lawyer thinking that if they can get even one juror who’s been jerked around by their insurance or who has had a family member denied treatment by their insurance for a serious ailment, they can at least get a mistrial (though the government will just keep retrying it until a verdict is delivered, and that verdict, ultimately, is not likely to be favorable to the defendant).

As I said above, I’m not face blind, and I still find it astounding given how little information we had about his face. You could only see about half of it, it’s not particularly clear or high resolution, you don’t see his hair, ears, identifying marks, anything. Like I said: bushy eyebrows, big nose, chiseled chin. That’s not a hell of a whole lot to go on. Apparently it was for the McDonalds, but, man, what a shot in the dark.

I’ve been thinking about a nickname for this killer. I’m not a fan of “the Insurance Adjuster” and such. But “the BT Killer” has a certain ring to it. Surely, there can’t be another killer of note with a similar nickname. :frowning_face:

Well, he has to eat something. If he didn’t go to McDonald’s, it would have been a supermarket, or some other restaurant.

Seems to me if he hadn’t had a blue mask of in McDonalds he would have not attracted attention on himself ….masts for the most part are not common anymore! Also carrying the evidences of the crime was a complete checkmate to his plan!….How long before Law & Order copy it? Definitely not Columbo worthy!

But if he waits that long the McRib might be withdrawn again.

I once envisioned a short subject/ad in which a man in jail is being interviewed by a reporter, who asks why he, a non-indigent person, carried out that dramatic armed robbery. The suspect explains that he has treatable prostate cancer but the insurance company refused coverage, so he sought treatment where he knew he could get it: in prison.

This reminds me of one of my favorite criminal nicknames….

If you ever get insulted by your partner making a nasty joke about the size or shape of your ass and that escalates into a physical argument and you end up killing him……you will forever be known as The Butt Crack Killer.

The only bad review I ever saw of my favorite breakfast place was on Yelp. I looked around some more and concluded it was the place people go to be trolls.

From ABC News:

Given that Mangione was caught scarfing down McDonald’s food (he’s pictured eating what appears to be a bag of fries), his impassioned critiques of corporate America and Americans’ health/life expectancy have a certain reek of irony.

An “insult to the intelligence of the American people”. :laughing:

I think this varies by state. I do prison ministry and what an inmate in Texas told me is that the prison often just ignores cancer and whatnot and lets inmates die, with no accountability.

That sounds like Texas

And bullet placement.