Unsafe working conditions? Take it or leave it

Google “is an offer letter a contract”. Short answer: no.

We’re finding that hiring folks in India is especially challenging,. because the norm there is something like 6 weeks’ notice. So people interview, accept, and then keep looking. If they find something else, that employer is happy to have a shorter time to wait. Meanwhile, we’re SOL.

Google “is an NDA a contract”

In the U.S., that implied contract is mostly limited to getting paid for work done. Otherwise you’re generally “at will”, which means “we can fire you because it’s Tuesday”. Yes, a few states have some more protections Montana is an oddly protective state), but in general it’s a hellscape for workers.

Acourse employees can and do sue: big companies can make it very hard to get rid of poor employees until/unless there’s a general RIF.

So it sucks all around.

This is true. They may have a Standard Operating Procedures manual that all employees have to be familiar with and agree to follow to maintain employment, a union contract, or sans a union a “handbook” which is similar to an SOP but with some differences.

The department I work for we are explicitly forbidden to covertly record (audio or video) fellow officers. While at the same time we all have body cameras, cameras in the squads, cameras all over the police station, and the public is free to record us all they want. Go figure.

OP, your daughter went to the company office of the private firm that operates the summer school van, correct? If she hasn’t done so, she should notify the district superintendent about what she observed the van driver doing. It’s a serious safety issue, and I’m sure the district would want to know about it.

If they wanted cameras on board, there would be cameras. They own the bus and the driver is their employee. Can you show me a cite for them not being able to record? Employers all over the US have been recording employees and customers everywhere in the building except restrooms for years. I can’t imagine a law that could stop them on property they own.

Could you also give me a cite for an employee being arrested for filming another employee doing something dangerous or illegal? The internet is full of videos that employees take in businesses like that. I’m not aware of large numbers of people being arrested for that.

Pretty sure a school bus aide doesn’t sign NDAs and offer letters are not NDAs, so I don’t know why you brought that up.

Are you saying if a cop filmed his partner stealing cash out of evidence the cop that filmed it would be arrested or fired? I find both highly unlikely. Ostracized by their fellow officers maybe.

I’m not going to link to the story, but a local police department has exactly this policy and a police officer was fired for recording another police officer groping a third [female] officer. The female officer got a large settlement, the fired officer [AFAIK] got nothing, the groper is still employed there.

This is what led to the remarkable simultaneous Facebook postings:

John Doe Police Chief Official Account: The Blahville Police department has zero tolerance for sexual discrimination or harassment.

John Doe Personal Account: If you’re a woman and want to be a police officer, you should know what you’re in for.

Oh I completely believe pkbites. The key there is “covertly” - that department’s rule must be that the person being recorded must know (or reasonably expect) they are being recorded (thus, bodycams OK, citizens whipping out the phone when witnessing a public interaction OK) unless there’s an authorized warrant. Not unknown and not just in police departments.

The OP said that there were no cameras on the vehicle. The only sensible reason for that would be if state law made cameras problematic somehow. And if they’re problematic for the owner of the vehicle, then they’re definitely problematic for a mere employee. Certainly, some states do have laws regarding recording other people without their consent, so something like that could be involved here.

Now, of course, it’s also possible that the vehicle lacks cameras for some non-sensible reason. It’s very difficult to speculate about that, since there are so many possible non-sensible reasons.

Because there was some thread drift and that was part of a side discussion.

You are right, I missed that.

Was this a covert recording also? I wonder if the fired officer filed a civil suit. I can’t imagine a jury that wouldn’t reward him for turning in someone for sexual assault, no matter what the rules.

Can you cite a state law that does this? I’ve never seen one. I’m surprised you think they need any more reason than they don’t want to or they don’t want to spend the money.

I’m going to suggest the vehicles lack cameras for a very sensible reason. Not one you or I may agree with, but one they think is highly sensible.

Cameras cost money and the cheap bastards that run the bus company do not see any incremental profit connected to the 100% certain incremental cost of buying cameras. So unless they are required by some regulation, they won’t be installed. And given that, infosar as we SDMBers know, there are no cameras, we can also conclude there are no such regulations.