Unsupported Science Beliefs You Hold

This deserves its thread to go into any depth but my (again, unsupported by observed fact) estimate of even odds for life on one of the icy moons isn’t proximity, but that I believe that life or life-like thermodynamically-moderating and self-replicating systems will spontaneously develop in essentially any environment with requisite energy and the right mix of elements in a fluid matrix, and that many of these will evolve into sufficient complexity and differentiation to survive all but the most cataclysmic changes. Life on Earth developed very early (within a few hundred million years of planetary formation, and likely within tens of millions of years of water condensing) in conditions that would only be tolerable to extremophile organisms today, so either something very, very special occurred on the nascent Earth, or ‘life’ in some form is likely to occur under even marginally favorable circumstances. Which, of course, is speculation (albeit based on a knowledge of biochemistry and what little we know of planetology), and my estimate of ~50% likelihood is completely without any factual basis.

The flaw in this reasoning is that you implicitly assume any development of life to something comparable to our level of development must follow the essentially same path and forms which is largely an assumed “just-so story” for life on Earth. We can pretty much guarantee that something exactly like mitochondria will not appear in another evolutionary chain but we actually have no reason to believe that this is the only instance of endosymbiosis of energy-generating bacteria into another cell, but it just happened to be the form that was most successful.

If the assertion that advanced life on Earth is a one-in-infinity occurrence due to the “immense number of hurdles that must be successfully navigated”, you actually have to apply a teleological frame to explain why it could only happen exactly here on Earth and nowhere else in the literally unimaginable expanse of the universe. It becomes a “Law of No Small Numbers” problem: in a large enough universe there are things that cannot physically occur, things that can only occur at one specific point in cosmic development (the ‘Big Bang’ and cosmic inflation), and things that, no matter how unlikely they are at any given point, will occur with some degree of regularity over sufficient space and time. Life is fundamentally just a set of chemical reactions that produces self-replicating protein structures, and while spontaneous generation of something of the complexity of a protein is extremely unlikely at any given point over a small interval of time, in a bath of organic compounds with billions of chemical reactions per second over millions of years, even the most unlikely compounds will appear with some statistical degree of frequency, and will sooner or later develop some stable forms that will have a tendency to replication. From there to technological sophistication is a long set of steps (although, again, not a singular linear path) but unless there is something that operates to actively prevent development, there is a random walk that goes from just-barely-alive to something that can ‘look’ up at the stars (although not with our poorly-designed backward facing retinas) and wonder who else is out there.

“Intelligence” that is measured by an IQ test is one narrow facet of cognitive capability, and arguably not even the best at representing a practical capacity for success. The ‘science’ of trying to define and quantify intelligence is actually rife with bad assumptions on top of the “biased and racist history” and methodological errors that you mention. IQ tells us something about the purely analytical and pattern-matching capabilities when taking an IQ test, and those correspond roughly to those abilities in a real world application which involve similar skills. However, there are plenty of people who could not score well on an IQ test but perform highly complex skills like animal tracking, land navigation without tools, et cetera far better than you and I could, because their early development and cultural exposure has prioritized developing their brains in those particular skill sets and not Euclidian geometry or solving abstract logic puzzles. To be sure, there are people who are more or less intelligent in different areas, but the intelligence quotient is at best a very restricted measurement of one narrow regime of intellectual capacity.

Stranger

I believed, scientifically I could hold my breath long enough to read @Stranger_On_A_Train whole post.
I read fast.

Alas I was mistaken.

That’s some scientific ignorance fought, right there.

I agree with this and would be interested in such a thread!

How about plain old sugar? Sweetener is now added to everything, even things you don’t normally think of as sweetened like canned or sliced meat can contain “dextrose”. The number of aliases the food industry has come up with for sugar and sugar-like substances is huge. Maltose, Maltodextrin, HFCS, and I swear to God “cane juice”.

There exist individual differences between people. One of those differences is performing certain mental processes, which are, as a group, referred to as general intelligence. This may include memory, processing speed, solving puzzles, responding to novelty, assembling clues from the environment, etc. Few people would argue that everyone is exactly as smart as everyone else. If people do differ on intelligence, then that difference can be measured, if imperfectly, by various tests, challenges, or performances.

Yep, this is what I referred to in one post as “addictive flavor profiles.” It is still possible to ask why are people drinking 1000 Kcal/day of sugar drinks while also acknowledging that we live in a unique time in which so many calories are readily available. Why didn’t the obesity epidemic start in the 1950s? Why do so many people today not stop eating when they’ve had sufficient calories?

There are certainly many, many causes. My (mostly) unsupported belief is metabolic disruption due to environmental toxins plays a large role.

One can perform talented acts, such as balancing an egg on its small end on the equinox ( or equisol) but only if no one is watching you. “I really did it!” “Yeah…”.

Yes, there are differences between people, some of which are great enough so that we can say one person is more intelligent than another. But your claim goes well beyond that. Any reasonable definition of intelligence includes multiple dimensions, and how to weight those to create a single value of intelligence is not at all obvious. I say this as someone who does well on the traditional intelligence tests, so my agreeing with Stranger that these don’t measure intelligence in any useful way is not sour grapes.
That doesn’t even include the built-in biases of any given “intelligence” test.

Cognitive scientists use reasonable definitions of intelligence. What would make you think they don’t? (I mean, other than a history of bias and racism?)

General intelligence includes multiple dimensions. If they’re talking about a single dimension, then that dimensions will be named. For example, digit span, context switching, etc.

Whether anybody does something useful with these results is different. Using biased tests to continue racist educational policies is not useful to anybody (except racists). Using intelligence tests to identify kids with specific deficits (like dyslexia) or other special needs can be extremely useful.

I’ve seen the cane juice. I had a can of stewed carrots I kept for a long time showing it to people. Everyone always said, “Well, what is it?”

Who knows?

  • Anything that ends in the suffix -ose
  • Anything that says the word “syrup”, “nectar”, “sap”, or “honey” anywhere in it.
  • Any sort of “modified starch”
  • Any sort of “juice”
  • Anything that mentions cane, beets, grapes, apples, pears, or carrots

My unsupported scientific belief is that light is neither a particle nor a wave, but tis a beam.

Should probably add “malt” to this list (and include substrings). Maltodextrin, barley malt, etc.

I totally agree, and I think the driving force of life is entropy. The universe wants to shed all that big bang energy as fast as it can, and life is orders of magnitude faster at doing so than non-living processes which operate on geologic time scales.

We’re the wingtip vortices of the big bang, shedding energy where it has concentrated the most.

My unsupported belief is that the macro world is emergent from the rules of quantum mechanics, and QM is probably emergent from something we have no tools to possibly see., and if we could discover what that is, it would be emergent frim something else below that. It’s complexity and turtles all the way down.

As Richard Feynman said, maybe the universe is like an onion and scientists peel away layers only to find more layers, until we get tired of peeling.

In regards to the big bang , quantum mechanics and string theory— I wonder if the human brain has limits about what it can perceive and understand that would prevent us from ever fully understanding how the universe works.

That is a maybe for me, but I think it evens out. I want to believe in Karma.

Nor would I, but I do not want to rule it out, even if it is (Spock) "Life but not as we know it". :grinning:

I can not accept that. If you said Galaxy, I wouldnt argue. The universe is too damn big.

I made it, but it was tough.

The USDA of course-
In the United States where processed sugarcane syrup is used as a sweetener in food and beverage manufacturing, “evaporated cane juice” is considered by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to be a misleading term for “sugar” on product labels because the FDA regards “juice” as a liquid derived from fruits or vegetables; the preferred term is “cane sugar”.[1][2]

Could you give me a cite for a reputable cognitive scientist who thinks one number will do for intelligence? Sure you can compare and measure different factors (to what degree of precision I don’t know) but how do you construct a general intelligence measure out of them? It requires assigning weights to the importance of each, and assuming the set you have is comprehensive.
Sure you can detect huge differences in intelligence. But if there are large error bars in each component, you are not going to be able to come up with a useful general measure.

I’m not in full-on support of any obesity theories yet, mainly due to my own lack of understanding in the science, but…

This article examining both the chronological and geographical nature of obesity raises some really, really interesting questions. The authors compared a bunch of cultures which don’t have “well balanced” diets and proposed some interesting conclusions.

They tracked obesity rates in the US and found a correlation between levels of obesity and relative positions along major rivers – the further downriver, the fatter the populations. This seems to hold true in a lot of situations, and might point to “something in the water supply” in 1st world countries. They went on to “time” the introduction of various chemical products in the supply chain to the advent of these changes.

TLDR; it might be a combination of PTFE (teflon) and some pharmaceuticals (lithium, etc.). The timing and locations seem to work with this postulation.

Again, I don’t have the science background to really evaluate this, but it’s an interesting (and long) article.

Luck comes to you when you are the seventh son of the seventh son…of a billionaire.

Personally, I think the soft form of panspermia, or basically pseudopanspermia is true, which I think would raise the odds of life being more common.

Mitochondria, specifically, occurred once. But so did chloroplasts, and chromoplasts, and other plastids.
That endosymbiosis of organelles occurred multiple times does speak to at least a strong impetus towards it, if not inevitability.
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