OK. But presumably this is not evidence towards him being the aggressor. Unless you are saying it is.
I did not see him being the aggressor. He was seated in his driver’s seat and at times he was holding a knife. I see it as excessive use of deadly force. Does anyone see it differently?
The police should protect themselves against threats, real or positive. Be ready to shoot, if the guy pulls a gun. But that never happens. Yes, legalized murder.
I never said he was. I said being on drugs he may have been aggressive.
After over an hour of the police talking to Christian Glass, the police actions develop rapidly.
- 1h8m49s — video clip begins
- 1h8m52s — passenger window smashed, then officers repeatedly tell Glass to drop the knife
- 1h9m26s — officer yells out IMPACT IMPACT IMPACT before shooting bean bag
- 1h9m28s — bean bags fired, 2 rapidly, then 2 more, then 2 more; officers continue to tell Glass to drop the knife
- 1h9m54s — Glass is tazed twice
- 1h10m22s — Glass is shot 5x
So that’s less than one minute from the first bean bag (of 6) fired at Glass, then tazing, then Glass is shot 5x. All in less than one minute, and all this time Glass is seated in his car and not dropping the knife.
Clearly that is excessive use of deadly force.
After the shooting, at 1h10m26s, one officer (presumably the shooting officer) says, He went for you, Williams, right?
Sounds like somebody trying to cover their ass.
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with convicting or charging anyone. It only applies to civil suits. And it’s qualified not absolute because a lawsuit can be brought if constitutional rights are violated.
My mistake, sorry.
Well, clearly established constitutional rights, in light of certain court decisions. And “clearly established” does a lot of work on behalf of the police there.
It can depending on the situation. But it’s still qualified not absolute and it has no bearing on whether someone is charged criminally.
The Glass family have retained a lawyer named Siddhartha Rathod, who appears to have considerable familiarity with civil rights claims. He has said that he expects to file a civil claim soon.
I’m not a huge defender of the police, tho I do empathize with the challenge of encountering “challenging” people in stressful situations.
There was definitely something weird going on w/ the guy in the car, but I can’t imagine the mindset that required the cops to all be brandishing their guns in the first place, or to eventually force the issue. What - were they going sto shoot him to prevent him from stabbing himself with his pocketknife? No idea why so many cops needed to be on the scene, or so close to the car. Once the driver refused to exit, they coulda just left 1-2 cops sitting in their cars, waiting for the social worker and/or tow truck to show up.
Yup. Send the likes of me in, or anyone trained in community mental health.
Unless the kid was bleeding or seizing or something, just can’t imagine why they couldn’t wait him out. Sitting in his locked car, he wasn’t a danger to the cops or anyone. Not sure why the cops declined his offer to throw his knives out early on. They seemed locked into their demand that he exit the car, and wouldn’t accept anything else.
I hope these cops face some serious punishment. OTOH, I cannot imagine the challenges of being a cop in much of today’s America. Unless they pay them a heckuva lot more, they are not likely to attract the best candidates.
A grand jury has returned an indictment against two of the cops involved in killing Glass.
The grand jury determined that the decision to remove Glass from the car directly led to his death, and there was no probable cause or other reason to remove him from the car. At the time they decided to remove Glass from the car, he was not a danger to anybody, including himself.
The cop who shot and killed Glass was indicted on charges of second-degree murder, official misconduct and reckless endangerment. The supervisor/sergeant who made the decision to remove Glass from the car was indicted on charges of criminally negligent homicide and reckless endangerment.
The charges are absolutely deserved, but I’ll be shocked if any convictions come from it.
Yeah, understand your point. Convictions would start sending messages to LEOs that they’re here to serve and protect us, in the true sense of the words serve and protect.
LEOs perform great services for us, but some let the power get to their head and they abuse that power and they abuse their use of deadly force.
Convictions need to happen here. ETA — … based on what I’ve seen in the available video.
Note that according to the police, if you call 911 for roadside assistance, you are automatically a suspect.
I watched the entire video. The boy trying to stab the officer — that’s a crock of shit. Utter bullshit.
Being bean-bagged and tased would no doubt affect both executive function and muscle control.
He was panicking, so they shot him dead.