Both of mine would leave the car running (I sometimes leave the car warming up for the minute it takes me to take the garbage down to the street).
Neither alerted on the FOB, only the car itself.
Lots of people here clearly have no clue about how proximity keys work.
Picture this you are approaching you locked car in the rain with two hands full of bags from the store. Which is easier
A) put the bags down in the puddle so you can dig you keys out to unlock the door or
B) rejuggle everything to get your keys out
Or
C) reach out with one pinky and pull slightly on the door handle ( or trunk handle) and have it open
About the car remaining running when you walk away. Not a bug a feature. If the car died with the key outside it some doorknob would let the key get out of the car, drive away, car dies and accident occurs and car maker gets sued.
Lastly worried about leaving you key on the roof? Don’t. Car won’t start with the key outside the passenger compartment. And if you put the key on the roof after the car is running and then ignore the warning tone and warning light then you are an idiot and will get to pay a stupidity tax for the new key.
I have yet to meet a fob key owner that wants to go back to a standard key.
Not true with the Altima according to my tests. You can have the door open, the key outside, and the car starts.
FYI, not too sure if you count people on the internet “people you have met”, but pleased to meet you - my name is JohnT and I much prefer keys to FOBs.
Of course, I live in San Antonio, TX so that your example with the rain… well, it’s not a worry here. 
(And you seem to have missed the part where I still had to use the FOB to manually unlock the car - it just doesn’t unlock merely because I’m standing next to it, I still have to put the thing in my hand and press the button. So, regardless, I still have to “rejuggle” everything.)
Have you ever had the problem of buying those bunny-shaped Marshmallow Peeps that come in packs of like 12 or 18, only to find that the last 3 have become hopelessly stale because you couldn’t eat them fast enough? Then THIS product is for you! That’s right, a set of 3 bunny-shaped Peeps containers.
Sadly, I actually have this product, someone bought it for me thinking I would love it. I have never opened the package and I laugh every time I see it.
I notice the page doesn’t even say what this product is supposed to do; they have somehow gotten smart. You should apply it to your forehead like this:
:smack: :smack: :smack:
From the site:
It’s as safe as Oscillococcinum!
I wouldn’t buy that to hold Peeps, but I might use it as a rice ball mold or to hold a handful of snacks in my lunch bag. (I’m thinking some carrots or a handful m&m’s)
But, but, but don’t you know “As seen on TV” is Swahili for “useless piece of crap”
Seriously, what is the purpose behind this logo, as what it really means is that the manufacturer paid some money to advertise in a particular medium? I’ve never seen the “As seen in your local paper” or “as seen on some internet banner ad” logo.
Also, one local maul had an entire store that was “As seen on TV”.
Oh come on, since bananas are so hard to slice, it probably saves about 5 seconds of cutting - but adds about 2 mins of cleanup to get the inside of all of the squares as opposed to washing just one knife; which can also be used for other purposes. :smack:
As the article itself notes if you read past the first page the studies have been criticized for poor methodology. I’m not about to go find the published studies and read them for the sake of debate, but neither am I willing to concede that the conclusions necessarily square with reality.
Even if we assume that cloth diapers and disposables are environmentally equivalent, the other benefits I noted are sufficient to make disposables useless for those of us who able to operate a washing machine.
Yes. This is what pisses me off about this argument. People are claiming problems with the product while obviously never having used it to any real extent. I’ve owned several cars with a keyless entry/ignition feature, and also rented a number. I’ve never seen one that didn’t make it blatantly obvious if the key leaves the car after it has started. There would be no way to not know this (or if you didn’t notice the audible and visible alarm, you shouldn’t be driving anyway).
Also, as others said, no I don’t have to fish the key out of my bag to open the door. I just lift the handle and it unlocks. When I leave, I lightly touch the handle and it locks. I quite literally never have to handle my car key, and I like it that way. There is no issue with not being aware of where my key is. It’s always in the same place (my bag), not on whatever table or counter I set it down on when I walked in the door, or whatever jacket I last wore. And the car would let me know if it wasn’t where it needed to be - if I didn’t have it when I got to the car, I couldn’t open the door or start the car. And if it somehow left the car after starting, it will beep and show a message on the dash.
This is not rocket science. There are legitimate reasons not to like this feature if that’s what you want to do – for example it does cost more, and the replacement keys are expensive. So why the need to make up reasons?
Sorry, that post was replying to Cheesesteak. But as people have mentioned, all you have to think about when using the fobs is “is the key on my person/bag?” You don’t need to take it out. You don’t need to press any buttons on it. You do, however, need to pay attention that the car is starting because YOU, the driver, is in possession of the key, not because of the spare in your passenger’s purse, or the key’s on the roof.
This isn’t exactly something you can “pay attention” to. Let’s say, like my dad, you put the wrong key in your pocket. Once you make that mistake, there is no way to discover the error, without pulling the keys out of your pocket, which defeats the purpose of an automatic fob. The car starts up with the passenger’s fob, you can’t tell the difference.
This actually happened, this technology was a key factor (heh) in my father getting stranded. Now he was fortunate that he was close-ish to his home when he got stranded. It could just as easily have happened the next town over when he dropped my mom off at the bus station. He stays until she leaves on the bus, waves good bye and can’t get back into the car.
It’s the sort of thing that is simply not a problem with standard keys.
Rick, the key on the roof thing was not a personal anecdote, but one I read about in a car magazine. Seems that the magazine guys would put keys on the roof when exchanging cars during test drives, and this new technology caused them some problems.
I also have zero issue with proximity door locks, that is useful. My problem is with proximity based push button start/stop.
I would like to complain about a different feature: Autounlocking doors, like on my '95 Ford Festiva. I get out of my car, grab my stuff, mash the lock button on the door, and swing the door shut.
Then I take my car key, and lock the doors again since they all just popped themselves unlocked. I get why this feature exists, having locked myself out of my car like 4 times in my adult life, but it still irks me. The solution, BTW, is to close the door with the handle pulled, which somehow evades this function.
Something I saw at the store that my wife liked and I thought was silly: The easy meatloaf pan. It’s a pan, shaped appropriately for meatloaf… with a metal tray that lined the bottom with handles sticking out at the ends. You load up the loaf, bake it, and then pull it out by lifting up the pan.
Or, do what I always saw people do, and just shape the loaf and let it sit on the pan to be scooped up with a spatula or sliced in place. Similarly, the “All Crusts” labyrinth molds I’ve seen for lasagna and brownies.
My mom used to hate this feature, she had a car where when you turn off the engine all four doors unlock. It is like a carjacker or criminals dream, you park in a unlit area and before you can even gather your stuff every door pops open.
She started waiting until she was ready to leave the car instantly to kill the engine, which just wastes gas.
FTR, America’s Test Kitchen loves those things.
Good for them, Raguleader’s Kitchen looks down our nose at such silliness.
No, it’s not. But accidentally locking my keys in the car isn’t a problem with a fob. Because the fob never leaves my bag, and I never forget that. And I believe the doors would unlock even if I did somehow accidentally lock the fob in the car.
Suppose the car is left running while it is in “park” and the fob leaves the vehicle. Can the vehicle be put in “drive” or “reverse” without the fob being present?
I understand that putting a bunch of clothes on top of a banana could squish it, but if I were in that situation I would either (a) make sure that my banana was on top of my change of clothes rather than vice versa or (b) buy a lunch box that could protect an entire lunch rather than protecting each piece of food individually.
They do look kind of neat, though.
Again, all this talk about FOBs is really ignoring my original question:
What problems are the things meant to solve?
Which brings up a corollary:
Are these problems severe enough to warrant the host of problems users are having with the things?
Reaching for your keys in the rain is not an adequate-enough “problem” that needed solving with a solution that compels people to reeducate themselves on a habit they’ve developed years, decades prior.
Probably the same problem electronic controls on a washing machine was meant to solve, which is none. My best guess is it looks cool so one company tries it, then the competition copies them not wanting to be left out in the cold.