I know that liberals aren’t the problem here. So that’s one thing.
From the link.
That’s your definition of a “liberal”?
Ah, the Party of “Law and Order”.
So the whites in the county have been running the entire county essentially forever, and neither they nor the Navajos tried to secede. Do I have that right?
But the moment the whites lose an election, they want to secede from the county.
Maybe you can explain why this isn’t the over-the-top bad-faith response that it looks like it is. If they can’t run the game, they’re gonna take their ball and leave.
Please help us understand the issues, then. All I’ve got to go on is the Daily Kos article, which quotes two GOP politicians who seem to favour splitting the county. I’m wondering where the liberals you mention come into the discussion?
What is a “liberal” in Utah?
Salt Lake Trib story might give a better feel for the subtleties. Apparently some SJ County residents feel that having two Navajo Democrats on the three member commission is horrifying.
You first.
You are the one who dragged “liberals” into this thread. Why don’t you point out where you got your weird idea?
I’m pretty sure “liberals” were invoked in the 2nd post.
Eh? It’s right there in Hurricane Ditka’s post #2. I read it that he was saying that it was Liberals in Utah who are upset. If that’s not what he was saying, what was he saying? I am simply having trouble following the exchange and am seeking clarification?
Then, in post 7, CarnalK also seeks clarification: did HD mean “liberals here on the board,” or when he said “here” did he mean in Utah?
And finally, in post # 17, HD quote CarnalK’s post and seems to me to confirm that by “here” he’s talking about liberals in Utah:
So I’m still puzzled by his comment, as I’ve read the two articles posters have linked to, and haven’t found any specific mention of liberals, only Republicans?
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- If you think the San Juan County government is “running the entire county”, you clearly don’t understand the dynamic there. Here’s a breakdown of land ownership/administration in San Juan County:
How much authority do you imagine the San Juan County Commission has over the Navajo Nation lands, or the BLM lands, or the National Parks?
AFAIK, San Juan County is the 2nd largest county in the whole country, with a shitload of intersecting land management issues. If it chose to subdivide a bit, that would not be a bad thing IMHO.
- Why would the Navajos want to secede? They want to prevent the non-Native portions from seceding, for the “tax base”.
Perhaps a brief discussion on secession is in order. If, say, Quebec wanted to secede from Canada, or Scotland from the UK, who thinks it appropriate for the rest of Canada, or the rest of the UK to have the power to veto that decision? What about when a nation wants to leave the EU? Should the rest of the EU get to vote on that too?
You read the SLTrib article posted? It contains “specific mention” of a number of (Utah) Democrats.
Not sure how any of this makes a difference. This thread isn’t about how the Federal government owns large chunks of Western states.
OK, so you’re just repeating what you said up top. My response to it still stands, awaiting your rebuttal, if any.
Care to lay out your position on secession in general? My view is that Quebec, Scotland, and the UK ought to be free to “take their ball and leave” if they so choose (and so should portions of San Juan County). What do you think about that though? Do you have a position that can be reasonably applied to all of those situations? Is there some nuance in San Juan County that merits a different set of principles in your opinion? Or do you always oppose secession? Or just when it’s Republicans considering it?
I’m bowing out of this thread. Too much hostility just for asking questions to try to understand what’s going on.
Do we need to let the admins know there’s something screwy going on with the quote feature, or did you both just happen to make the same quoting error one after the other?
It seems that neither of you is responding to the post in the quote box, so I’m confused.
JAQing is neither making an argument nor rebutting another’s. Do you have any intention of explaining how your first contribution to this thread has anything to do with the topic at hand?
I can understand arguments why Scotland or Quebec may want to secede. The only reason apparent to me why the white Republican minority may want to secede is that their illegal grip on power has been struck down as racist.
If you want to add some good reasons why this is not as simple as some crusty white dudes getting upset about not being able to win crooked elections anymore, please go ahead.