Van lifer goes missing on cross country trip with fiancee

Sometimes I get the sense that, to some people, voices should be heard in inverse proportion to their willingness to engage in reasoned and informed skepticism. Which (skepticism) often involves refraining from arriving at a conclusion until well past the point that it is “fun” or “cool” to speculate.

What’s your source? Cite? Or is it just speculation?

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We don’t even have any idea of what “the remains” consist. There’s a report of a “partial skull” but no confirmation of this; there is no confirmation of any other elements making up the remains, or of how complete the remains may be. Fingers? Toes? That partial skull? We have no idea.

Presumably–and it is an assumption–since the FBI has stated that the remains belong to Brian Laundrie, then the partial skull was not inconsistent with BL’s dental records.

Since a) some belongings identified with BL were found–by BL’s father–near the partial remains, and since b) the Laundrie parents have reported that Brian was in that location in mid-September, this was, apparently, considered sufficient by the FBI* for a public statement that the remains belong to Brian.

None of this “proves” that Brian committed suicide.

*Announced in a Tweet:

Yeah I’m sure he died of a heart attack.

I assume everyone’s mind is going to an alligator attack. Possible, but extremely unlikely.

Not if the concentration of them is as high as it is just a few miles north. (Those log looking things around the circular hole in the link - all gators.)

A swampy environment in heavy rains, with masses of mosquitos biting 24/7, is not conducive to remaining alive–even if no large animals are involved. A person has to sleep sometime, and sleeping in water, made miserable by having no skin that isn’t itching and bleeding… You could drop off and wake up choking on water you can’t get out of your lungs, and then…

We need to know more about the FBI dental-records identification. How partial was that skull? How reliably can the dental-ID be distinguished from those of millions of other people of about the same size and age as Brian?

Recall that we have NO proof that Brian ever entered that nature preserve, on September 13 or any other day in September. We have only the word of the parents.

The last day of any hard evidence that Brian was in the Sarasota area was September 4, when video shows him in the AT&T store. After that we have a neighbor saying Brian was visible in the family home’s yard about the second week of September, but we don’t know how reliable that is.

Recall also that:
**the area in which the remains were found was closed to the public until Wednesday, October 20. On that day, Brian’s parents entered the area, which had previously been under water.

**Brian’s father Chris Laundrie was the person who discovered items that he says belonged to his son.

This sequence of events is unusual. “Unusual” does not prove that something deceptive occurred; similarly, it does not prove that what happened should be taken at face value.

For a family of means, the facts that the area was open, and that the FBI would make an ID based on only a partial skull, could set the stage for actions that would result in what we see in this thread: members of the public becoming convinced that Brian MUST have been in the nature preserve all along and, moreover, that he MUST have killed himself.

The facts do not warrant unquestioning acceptance of such assumptions.

The FBI doesn’t make an ID on dental records that aren’t conclusive. You guys are literally drifting into conspiracist level thinking here. Also Laundrie’s parents are by all appearances normal retired middle class people. Not “somehow produce a skeleton that fools the FBI into thinking it’s Brian” level wealth. Especially since that level of wealth doesn’t actually exist.

One might expect that, if it was a suicide (and honestly, that’s what I suspect will be the case), the authorities might eventually find the implement of self-destruction. Which is just to say that if it was a suicide, we might yet have a “smoking gun” of sorts, even if the remains don’t tell a full story at this point of decomposition.

A water moccasin envenomation is also a possibility, especially in a swampy environment. If Laundrie was too far away from his car too drive himself to a hospital he could easily have succumbed to a bite.

Question them, but realize it is a vanishing small possibility. It’s akin to the earlier theories in this thread - Gabby is alive, it’s all faked to get clicks! Brian murdered that other couple! Brian is hiding in South America! Fun to speculate, but don’t fool yourself that it’s likely.

Yes, people die in the wilderness, but usually because they are lost far from anything, not 1/4 mile from their car. People are attacked by alligators, but there’s an average of 1 fatality a year, so they aren’t exactly hunting/killing machines when it comes to people.

I agree we don’t yet know if he killed himself. But you’re throwing your money away if you’re betting on anything other than suicide.

Certainly possible. But venomous snakes cause 5-6 deaths per year in the US and water moccasins are responsible for 1% of snake fatalities, so maybe 1 death every 20 years. Not exactly common.

I’m not so convinced it was a suicide. If he had indeed decided to off himself, why drive out to the swamp and do it there? Why not off himself in his bedroom?

Still waiting for the results of the forensic analysis, but my theory is that he thought the police would be checking the domiciles of all his relatives and friends who could potentially harbor him as a fugitive, so he figured the best strategy was to make for the swamp and lay low for a while until the heat died down, so he could make a more clandestine escape to some faraway place later.

Unfortunately for him, being not very experienced in outdoor survival meant that an animal attack or the ruthless environmental conditions ruined his well laid plans.

If you’re trying to go into hiding, you don’t tell people your hiding place.

Possibly the thought of being forever “on the run” or “whereabouts unknown” appealed to him?

Yeah, I forgot about that part :flushed:

Maybe, but if he thought that animals would clean up his remains in short order leaving no traces for people to find, I don’t think he would’ve kept his items in a dry bag which would preserve the evidence after he was gone.

I think its possible that he set off into the swamp still in “fight or flight mode” and with a half-formed plan much like you suggest that he could evade capture either indefinitely or until he could figure out other options. But a few days in the wilderness with nothing but his thoughts and the mosquitos would have driven home the absolute hopelessness of his situation. He didn’t have “flee to the Maldives” money or connections. Even if he had relatives or friends ready to risk lengthy prison sentences in order to harbor him, he couldn’t keep that up forever. There was simply no escaping the consequences of what he’d done to Gabby.

Well, there was one way, and I suspect he took it.

Did he? Keep his items in a “dry bag”?

That’s quite a compelling theory. I like your thinking.

Of course, another option would be to give himself up to the authorities, convince the jury it was manslaughter, and then get out on parole after 10-20 years in the slammer. But I guess people don’t think clearly when they are under duress.

That was mentioned earlier in the thread. It remains to be seen whether the items really belong to Brian, and if you’re a fan of conspiracy theories, whether his parents planted the bag in the preserve.