Veganism and pet ownership

How do vegans reconcile their beliefs about human-animal interaction with pet ownership? Specifically,

1). Do vegans believe in pet ownership as it is traditionally defined in Western society? That is, can animals be “owned” in the same sense as objects can?

2). If so, how do vegans justify buying pet food for the animals they care for? All pet food that I’ve seen contains chicken or beef offal, at minimum. And the animals used to make pet food are not hunted by the animal that you are feeding their body parts to (e.g., Fluffy didn’t stalk and pounce on a 1000 lb. cow for her breakfast). So, if veganism

how can vegans provide food for their pets? Is there special vegan pet food available?

*I am not taking a swipe at veganism; I am genuinely curious. I hope this qualifies for IMHO, since it’s likely to generate a lot of opinion.

As far as I know, even if there IS vegan pet food available, for animals such as cats, they are carnivores and MUST consume meat. So I don’t know what the answer is there.

I’m a vegetarian, not a vegan, so I’m not entirely what you’re looking for, but I can tell you there are a number of vegetarian/vegan pet foods available commercially. I see them advertised in the back of my veg magazines all the time, and I found lots of options when I googled “vegetarian pet foods” just now. I’ve also read a couple different articles regarding whether or not pets should be vegetarian, and there does not seem to be a firm consensus amongst vegetarians or vegans.

In my house, my cats (who I consider to be more members of my family than owned objects) eat regular cat food. My reasoning/rationalization is that I can only make the decision to not eat meat for myself. I didn’t make that decision for my son (who decided on his own) or my husband (who still eats meat) so I can’t make it for my cats. It probably seems a little simplistic, but it satisfies my conscience.

I do know people (both vegans and non-vegetarians) who believe it’s basically unethical to keep pets. They believe that animals are basically wild and that owning them and keeping them in an “unnatural” environment is wrong. This isn’t my belief, but I’ve seen it in some places.

There certainly are vegans who are against all pet ownership – or is that “there are people who are against pet ownership who are also vegan”?

I’m vegan and have pets.

While I believe that it’s inappropriate to make wild or exotic animals into pets, and I see far too many irresponsible pet “owners,” I personally believe the human-animal bond is too strong to be entirely severed – people are going to want pets. I want pets. Preferably species we have already made dependent on us, species with which we have “co-evolved,” such as dogs.

And of course always rescued or rehomed pets, never buying or selling lives as commercial commodities.

There’s a couple of things you can do about food. One is to have herbivorous pets, like house rabbits or hamsters. You can also feed commercial vegetarian and vegan diets to some omnivorous species, like dogs.

Our dogs get a hand-cooked specialty diet consisting of sweet potato*, tofu, Metamucil for fiber, cooking oil (usually canola), a little salt, and custom doggie vitamin supplement for vegetarian dogs. The recipe was created for us by a canine dietician we consulted when Sadie had repeated diarrhea on other diets.

*The ancient Polynesians fed their dogs largely on yams, supplemented by a little fish (which our oils, salt, and vitamins replace), so this diet is similar to one used
for thousands of years.

This is supplemented by Dick Van Patten’s Natural Balance vegetarian formula kibble. The dogs also get dry roasted unsalted peanuts as training treats and they get peanut butter daily smeared on a dental toy.

They’ve done really well on this diet.

The birds are naturally seed-eaters, so they’re vegan as long as we replace their calcium with a mineral block instead of a cuttlefish bone.

The cat is the big problem for us. Cats are “obligate carnivores,” and even other vegans we’ve talked to agree that it’s not practical to feed a cat a strictly vegan diet. Further complicating things is his recent trouble with Feline Lower Urinary Tract Disease, which requires a special diet (low in things that cause urine crystal formation).

So we don’t feed the cat vegan food. He gets wet food that’s basically meat, and he gets kibble made with meat (his kibble is now mixed with water to get as much dilution as possible into his urine.)

Basically a cat isn’t a vegan pet. Of course, we didn’t set out to GET a cat; we took him in when he was left outside in 10 degree weather last winter to fend for himself by a neighbor who moved. Shelters and rescues, in our experience, are all full, all the time, with cats – simply dumping him on someone else would result in another cat somewhere else getting squeezed out of the system.

So we took him in despite the unpleasant (for us) compromises involved. We’re keenly aware of the compromise; the cat’s non-vegan food requires special handling in our kitchen, and dealing with canned meat is just as pleasant as scooping the litterbox. His behavior has been atrocious too; we’re not particularly happy with him, but sometimes he’s pleasant to have around, and he’s gradually becoming more friendly.

I would not advise vegans to adopt cats, generally.

Thank you for the very informative post, Sailboat. I never knew that dogs could be conditioned to like a vegan diet:).

Another thought re: ownership.

The term we prefer is “pet guardians” rather than “owners” per se. We regard the pets as family members – nonvoting family members maybe. :slight_smile:

We do intentionally try to do nice things for them; the dogs particularly get taken on special fun hikes and to social events just for their own benefit, but we also go out of our way for all the pets to have social time; we don’t want to just “warehouse” them.

But there’s a caveat.

The dogs aren’t just any breed, they’re pit bulls.

Well, one’s a mix, but in a society that sometimes (wrongly, IMHO) regards pit bulls as murderers, a pit mix is regarded as an accessory to murder. The other is a straight-up American Pit Bull Terrier, of the classic “gamebred” size and build. “Gamebred” in this case is a code word for fighting dogs.

Now there is a LOT of mythology about put bulls – even on the SDMB people have a hard time separating truth from fiction. However, I’ll stick to what’s relevant to the question of “ownership”
of animals.

The friends and fanciers of pit bulls have made a case that ownership is better protection for these dogs than guardianship. Breed-specific legislation, confiscation, muzzle laws, other legal threats are one side of the coin; outside the law, these dogs also face extra-legal harassment, poisoning and abuse by neighbors, possible theft by dog-fighting rings, and a malign press, among other things. Supposedly the argument is, “guardianship” might lead to the courts deciding custody based on a prejudicial view of what’s best for the dogs (PETA is on record as having said extermination is best for these dogs), but “ownership” gives the animals the protection of property rights, which is in many cases stronger than animal protection laws (or it was before Kelo, anyway).

I don’t know if I buy the arguments in all their detail, but I am keeping an open mind. Certainly I know better than most people, the press corps, and the court system what’s best for my family members. If “ownership” is what it takes to keep them safe and happy, I may have to “own” animals.

My friend is (AFAIK) a vegan, but I don’t think he’s vegan because of any ethical beliefs or ideas or philosophy. Rather, I think he’s vegan because it’s a better diet for him physically, and he feels healthier on it. (I guess I really should ask him, hey?) For vegans like him, there’s probably no conflict or difficulties feeding pets (and indeed, he has two cats right now; he’s had a dog in the past.)

While IANA vegan, I am close with 4 people who are. We all have cats and work in the veterinary/shelter industry. Their philosophy is pretty much as stated in another post, it’s their choice, and not the choice of their animals. While it may seem more in line with vegan philosophy to avoid meat-eating creatures as cohabitants in their homes, so as not to perpetuate the inhumane slaughter of other animals, our cats are all rescues. They are all former house cats or indoor-outdoor cats that cannot survive without people as guardians. They have not learned to hunt and so cannot sustain themselves without us. So my conclusion has always been that it’s a compromise my vegan friends can live with.

How can a vegan buy chicken for the cat? Vegans are people who eat vegetables, not ascetic freaks who won’t kill a fly.

My roomie is a quasi-vegan - he keeps vegetarian for moral reasons, but also is lactose intolerant so he skips raw dairy anyway. Basically he’s a bakery-eating vegan.

He’s got a bearded dragon as a pet. I asked him when he moved in why he has a bearded dragon. He said he didn’t particularly want one but someone he knew was “getting rid” of Char and he felt obliged to take him in. He takes good care of Char…last week he was walking him around the back yard! :smiley:

He also is a “cat person” and has two cats he rescued. 'Cept they don’t live here, they each live with his previous roommates because we’re a Dog household.

He’s never mentioned anything to me about “keeping pets”. In fact, he is very sweet and loving with my dog, and of course with his cats and his lizard. Then again, he’s not the sort to tell ME what to eat so he’s not going to be telling me what to feed my dog.

All in all, I’m sure he sees human/animal relationships as loving and helpful, not evil.

Depends on the vegan, really. There are definitely some who won’t kill insects.


And thank you, Sailboat, for saying everything I was going to say better than I ever could’ve :slight_smile:

Many vegans eat vegetables for moral reasons, i.e., they believe it is morally wrong to kill an animal for food because doing so is not necessary to survival. The point of my question was to get at whether that moral obligation not to eat animals would cause a conflict for a vegan who owned a carnivorous animal (like a dog or cat), since food for these animals often contains meat from slaughtered animals.

As I understand it, a vegan is someone who opposes using animal products for anything. As opposed to a vegetarian, who just doesn’t eat them.

I haven’t been able to find a neutral cite; just a bunch of vegan/anti vegan websites. But apparently it’s not unknown for vegans to feed their cats nothing but vegetables and have the cat die from it.