Damn blasted stupid carnivorous deli-workers! If you are preparing a vegetarian boxed lunch, DON’T PUT A HARD-BOILED EGG IN IT!!! DUH! If you don’t know that the vegetarian isn’t a vegan, then play it safe and make the lunch vegan! How stupid do you have to be! And mayonnaise is whipped eggs!!! Stupid! Geeze. Preparing a vegan meal really isn’t hard at all. No meat, no dairy, no eggs, no mayo, no gelatin, no spread that might have eggs, gelatin, meat, or dairy… like ranch dressing. EASY! If your livelihood is preparing food then YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS!!! Why do waiters all know this and deli workers do not. Deli workers have vegetarians breathing over their sneeze guards making sure they don’t let the slightest bit of animal product on the sandwich. Waiters don’t. But every time I go to a restaurant I feel like I’m about to get into a battle with the waiter about what food should be forbidden to me, but I don’t cause he already knows what a vegetarian won’t eat. But a sandwich shop, where I don’t have a chance to explain it if I call in the order, why do the workers not know what a vegetarian won’t eat??? Use your damn brains idiots!!! And I shouldn’t have to freaking explain it anyway. You know I don’t eat meat. You should KNOW that it includes eggs, stupid. If you don’t know, then assume I mean no eggs. Eggs don’t grow on plants, dumb-ass! So I don’t eat them!!!
I find Thibault cancels out Capo Ferro, don’t you?
Just about every time I’ve seen something labeled “vegetarian”, it’s contained milk and/or eggs. If it’s vegan, it’s labeled as such.
True, eggs don’t grow on plants, but they don’t require an animal’s death to produce.
Simple suggestion, if you don’t like the deli, eat somewhere else, or make your own goddamned lunch. You don’t have a “right” to vegan food, anywhere.
Why should they assume “vegetarian” means “vegan”? Vegetarians have enough problems with people who eat fish or poultry calling themselves vegetarians and diluting the meaning of the word. They don’t need it co-opted by vegans as well.
If you’re a vegan, you should know better than to assume that a vegetarian meal will meet your dietary preferences.
I’ve been vegan for six years and I am under no false illusions that I’ll recieve a vegan meal if I ask for a vegetarian one. Hell, I don’t even assume people know what vegan is, I usually tell them I’m vegetarian and lactose intolerant.
Vegan and vegetarian are not the same things. Vegetarians eat hard boiled eggs, vegans don’t.
Calm the fuck down. People like you make the rest of us look bad.
From one vegetarian to another… COOL THOSE INDIGNANT BUNS THE FUCK DOWN.
In making the decision to be vegan, you should have accepted that eating out would not be easy. You should know that the majority of places will not be accomodating to your dietary preferences, and you should bear the responsibility yourself of ensuring that when you do eat out of the house the food does not contain animal products.
The deli can’t read your mind. They don’t know how strict of a veggie or vegan you are, they don’t know if you’re lacto-ovo, or lacto-ovo-pesco, or vegan, or if you don’t eat refined sugars and flours, or WHAT. Are the contents of this boxed lunch kept confidential until purchased? I assume not. If you know there are eggs and mayo in it, don’t buy it.
You’re right, preparing vegan meals is easy. SO DO IT YOUR DAMN SELF and stop looking for excuses to go on self-righteous binges like this one.
HEY NOW! I am ranting here on this damn (wonderful) board so I don’t have to get all pissed off in real life!!! Calm down! That’s what this board is for, to let us blow off steam. I’m not all pissed off about the food I eat. Actually I’m pretty relaxed about my vegetarianism now. It used to bother me to no end when they cut my pizza with the same knife that cut a meat lovers pizza. Sure I’d prefer it if they cut it with a clean knife, but it won’t stop me from eating it.
Anyway, they should assume that vegetarian means vegan because they weren’t specifically told that it didn’t. Only a person who is a vegan and knows the difference would assume that vegetarian meant eggs are okay. To the average american, vegetarian means no animal products. It’s possible that they might have a misconception, but it’s based on personal experience, not on popular opinion. You don’t expect to recieve a vegan meal when you ask for vegetarian BECAUSE you are a vegan. The term vegan was coined by the vegan community to separate themselves from those of us who don’t have as strict a diet. They sold the term, not the meat eaters. So the meat eaters don’t understand what the difference is between a vegan and a vegetarian, unless they are shown, usually by a vegan, not a vegetarian. Since they don’t understand the difference then they should assume that it means “all animal products.”
And I didn’t eat at the deli. Believe me, if I did eat there, (and I have eaten at ONE Murphey’s deli - it’s a chain - before. They have good veggie sandwiches.) I would make sure that they didn’t put the damn eggs in there. This was a boxed lunch provided by a salesman. It was made clear to the salesman that there were two vegetarians in the office. I thought by now the people ordering the food would know but I guess I was wrong. Next time I’ll make sure.
And I am not a Vegan, anyway. I am a lacto-vegetarian. I each cheese and drink milk but I do NOT eat eggs. But if they prepare it vegan then I’ll gladly eat it. So telling them that I am a vegetarian is accurate. What am I supposed to tell them, I’m a lacto-vegetarian? That’s even more cryptic than Vegan. I posted about the term vegan because it’s the easiest to explain to the general meat eating public and most people think vegetarian is vegan, unless they know the difference. And these people obviously didn’t know the difference because if they did they would have asked the person who placed the order, and they would have asked me. If they didn’t know the difference, then they should have excluded the egg.
And eggs ARE sort of like killing. No it’s not fertilized, but it is a pre-chicken. Milk is not a pre-cow.
Next time I’ll tell them, just like the first 10 times I told them.
Yeah … sounds easy to me. Or then again, maybe not;)
How do you feel about pickles, prisoner? And is there a sufficiently large population of people similar to you in dietary practice in your general area that you believe any food preparation outlet (i.e. deli etc) and/or personnel should know the difference between vegetarian and vegan?
Nope. If they don’t understand the difference, then they should either ask, or they should assume the worst. Nobody asked so they should have assumed the most strict diet.
If it’s not fertilized, it’s not pre-chicken, dumbass. That’s like saying it’s like killing if a woman ovulates and doesn’t get pregnant.
The meal was vegetarian, NOT vegan. If it was vegan, I could understand your rant.
Get over it.
I am over it. But I’m not over this thread. It was vegetarian because I asked for a vegetarian meal. But you guys just are not understanding…
If you do not know what vegan means then then you think that vegetarian means no animal products.
You’re right, we don’t understand.
Vegetarian=no meat, right?
Vegan=no animal products period.
Oh, would you eat a human egg? No wait, that borders on canibalizm. No wait. It doesn’t because an unfertilized human egg isn’t a pre-human. So, would you eat a human egg?
No, because it’s disgusting, and it’s not QUITE the same kind of egg.
Thanks for playing, though.
Nononono! YOU understand the difference between vegan and vegetarian but you are not hearing that I am not talking about vegetarians or vegans. The average omnivorous human being does NOT understand the difference. If he does understand the difference then he would ask. He didn’t so he doesn’t understand the difference so to him…
Vegetarian=no animal products
Vegan=huh? What does that mean?
A few minor quibbles:
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Forum (the BBQ Pit), not board (you would be expressly verboten from posting this rant, say, in ATMB [a forum], where it most assuredly does not belong:))
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You are allowed to rant here, but not with immunity. “If ya gotta flame, do it here” does not contain the subsequent clause “and without concern for feedback”.
Were they told specifically what to include/disinclude, or were they told “No, not a vegetarian meal, a vegan meal” without being told specifically what either is/is not?
We aren’t talking about the average american here, we’re talking about people working a specific job in a specific city:)
Have to go now, so I’ll just keep this quick:
Is it your position that, prior to being cooked/prepared to be eaten, eggs are alive?
Lastly: it is not all that smart (IMO) to assume that anyone, unless they have demonstrated knowledge otherwise, knows how to prepare food just the way you like it:) YMMV, etc.
You asked for a vegetarian meal. You got a vegetarian meal. You are pissed because they didn’t assume by “vegetarian” you meant “vegan.” Is this correct so far? because if it is then you sir are completely in the wrong 
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All over an egg.
No, to the average American, vegetarian means no “red meat”. To some of them, it can include fish and/or poultry. Perhaps you should be counting your blessings that you didn’t get tuna fish for lunch.