Victims of Abu Ghraib, you are not alone!

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The latest on Abu Ghraib abuses trial.

Hussein Mutar, second prosecution witness is a small fry. I feel your pain, Hussein, but be reasonable and rejoice, for Allah is just, merciful. If you choose to live a life of small criminal in a war zone, get swept in a dragnet, thrown in jail, forced to strip naked, form flesh pyramids and masturbate, how do you know it’s not Allah’s will? Besides, masturbation is good for men, it reduces risk of prostate cancer, if you live that long.

Amin al-Sheikh, prosecution first witness, is clearly a Hero, a real Minuteman, desrving of unbounded admiration. He is “an insurgent from Syria who went to Iraq in 2003 to fight U.S.-led forces” and “was taken to Abu Ghraib after being captured with AK-47 assault rifles, grenades and bomb-making material.” But there’s still more. “While being held at a tent camp next to Abu Ghraib, he said, he was wounded in the leg and chest in a shootout with Americans after he obtained a handgun from an Iraqi guard.” For that he was beaten, chained to cell bars, urinated upon, threatened with rape, forced to eat pork and drink alcohol, and made thank Jesus for being kept alive.

Amin, don’t feel too bad. I had encounters with US policemen and they were extremely unsentimental, to the point of being actually brusque. I can only wonder what would happen if at the moment of encounter I had a few AK-47 slung over my shoulder and grenades strapped to my belt. If I lived through this to be put in jail, where I would obtain a gun and engage in a shootout with prison guards and still remain alive after that, know what, I’d give thank to Jesus. You can’t thank Mohammed, because he’s just a man (peace be upon him), but you can thank Jesus, because Mohammed (pbuh) said that Jesus did miracles. I know, I know, it’s not a miracle, it’s simply Allah’s will (just, merciful) that you are still alive, but still…

Concerning being forced to eat pork and drink alcohol, Amin, I can only sympathize. We all are forced to eat pork and drink alcohol in US. We are barraged with advertisements to eat pork and drink alcohol all the time. The only reason we are not physically forced to eat pork and drink alcohol is because we are all cowards in US; we don’t take a stand, we don’t offer armed resistance, we submit. We are not Heroes like you, Amin, we are lesser men.

The only quiblle I have, Amin, why is the Lion like you testifying in US court? What is US pig, dog and monkey justice against Allah’s justice? Are you forgetting Allah, Amin?

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This is one of the most disgusting OP’s I’ve seen in a long time.

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Definitely disgusting.

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Remind me again who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. It’s very confusing :wally

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That many of those imprisoned there might be a scummy and murderous lot isn’t really of any consequence. If Grainer and others did what they’re accused of then it was criminal, disgusting, and wreaked almost unimaginable damage to the international perception of those values we as a nation have always held dear.

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Beyond the ignorance and slime of the OP, it should be clear to him that if we torture people, our soldiers are much more likely to be tortured if captured.

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I always thought the OP was an ass.

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So lemme get this straight… if US servicemen were captured by “insurgents” and forced to violate their religious teachings, or to bespoil symbols of their nation and/or their faith, New Iskander would not have a problem with that?

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Damn. I actually read through the whole OP waiting for the sarcastic punchline. For the love of all that is holy, tell me it was not meant to be serious.

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Come on, people, this has got to be a whoosh. Nobody could possibly be stupid and heartless enough to post something like this in seriousness.

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New Iskander has demonstrated over and over that he is indeed stupid and heartless enough to think like this and post things like this in all seriousness. He is, without question, one of the worst human beings on the SDMB.

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Cite?

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Call it what you want, except it’s not a whoosh.

I guess for some people it’s OK to allow testimony of open enemy combattant in US court agaist US serviceman, but to make fun of that testimony is ‘inhuman’.

How many US servicemen that Hero of yours has killed?

What a bunch of sanctimonious prigs!

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Who said the witness was a “hero?”

And that serviceman is a sadistic, criminal piece of shit. Most of the people he tortured were innocent, you fucking cretin.

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No, not to make fun of per se, but to be a total asshole about it? Yeah. And in case you’re wondering, prisoners of war are not supposed to be tortured.

Would you have this same joking assholeishness if an American GI was captured, led around leashed by a woman, tortured with electicity and sleep deprivation and beatings and rape, was given a chamber pot with a copy of the bible glued to the inside, piled on top of other naked American GI’s, threatened by dogs, kept in sub-standard living conditions, etc…

You pegged it. He’s a HERO! I have a poster of him up on my wall. Between the “I Love Hitler” poster and “I Hate America” one.

Funny thing though, when you invade a country, people fight back. Ya, I know. Who’d a thunk it?

Eh, coming from someone who wrote such an OP, I’ll take that as high praise.

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I don’t know about the rest of you, but I find the OP more tiresome than annoying. It’s nothing new from this poster.
This thread isn’t going to lead anywhere constructive. It’ll just be a flaming of New Iskander, which would be better suited to its own thread, one with links to many of his posts.

Anyway, I suggest that we just let this thread sink to the bottom, where it belongs. How about this: if you disapprove of the OP, you don’t have to post in this thread. It can automatically be assumed that almost no one here will. It doesn’t deserve much attention anyway.
Just my $.02

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Well, if you willing to take it, I’ll pile on some more.

Tell me, Mr. Saint, how do you keep order in prison full of criminals and enemy combattants in the middle of war deep in enemy territory? Do you give candies, think that will work? Fact is, young soldiers put in such circumstances will loose their heads and make mistakes.

I know, you say, “We are Americans! We can’t do torture!”

Then, what do you do? You can’t execute, you can’t brutalize, how can you maintain order against enemy combattants, conspiring to shoot or stab you in the back at any moment?

  • That’s why we shouldn’t have intervened in Iraq!

Then, where can we ever intervene?

  • Not in Iraq, certainly! Sudan, may be. They have real genocide there!

But what if things get nasty in Sudan and some US soldiers manhandle some Sudanese Hero?

  • We are Americans! We can’t do torture! We stay home and only follow UN orders!

But what if UN will send US troops into some hellhole and some US soldiers manhandle some local Hero?

  • We are Americans! We can’t do torture! We stay home and never intervene anywhere!

But what if we get attacked at home?

  • Well, then and only then, may be, while it’s still deplorable and un-American, at least torture can be understood…

So there is a case to be made for understanding US soldiers sometimes doing brutal things to enemies, after all?

Now tell me, what all those distinctions matter to soldiers fighting deep in enemy territory? It’s easy for you to sit at home and quibble, “Definitely no brutalities in Iraq; no, not in Sudan, either; in defence of the homeland, may be, but very carefully…”, while soldiers have their lives on the line every minute. What do you think would happen in Abu Ghraib if US servicemen lost control of the situation? Certainly some “real Minutemen”, like Mr. Amin, were trying to achieve just that by starting armed revolts.

I really wish people like you would be forced to spend time in some country where Heroes like Mr. Amin hold sway. That would teach you a few things what a real torture is.

And as for Mr. Amin, I wouldn’t urinate on him personally, but I’m sure glad someone had.

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HAHAHA! Stop, you’re killin’ me, here!

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[QUOTE=New Iskander
Hussein Mutar, second prosecution witness is a small fry. I feel your pain, Hussein, but be reasonable and rejoice, for Allah is just, merciful. If you choose to live a life of small criminal in a war zone, get swept in a dragnet, thrown in jail, forced to strip naked, form flesh pyramids and masturbate, how do you know it’s not Allah’s will? Besides, masturbation is good for men, [it reduces risk of prostate cancer]
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=masturbation+%2B+prostate+%2B+cancer&btnG=Search), if you live that long.

[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you’re not serious.

…You’re serious, aren’t you?

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Sorry Talon I have to post my 2 cents.

Iskander, we already have control of the prison. How does piling up a bunch of nake Iraqis or making them masterbate maintain order?

Does it even make a granule of sense to you that by torturing prisoners, we’re making our lives more difficult for us?

Reasons torturing prisoners is a bad idea.

  1. Makes us look bad in the eyes of the entire WORLD
  2. Removes our moral highground. (SH was a torturer, so are we now)
  3. Most of the tortured were innocent and later released. If they had had been taken care of well, they might go back to their families and stay out of trouble. Instead you have a person going back swearing death to America, and trying to recruit his whole family.
  4. Puts a bigger target on our soldiers backs. Although it was only a few screwballs, all our soldiers will be looked at with equal disdain. They will also be a bigger risk, as there will be no discrimination in targeting.
  5. Increases likelyhood that any of our captured guys will be abused. Sure sure, they’ll probably be abused anyway, but this doesn’t help.

Now before you go off with cliched responses that without torture “they’ll hate us anyway”, or “our soldiers are already at risk”, so we might as well use it anyway, let me say this. We need to slowly, one babystep at a time, show the Iraqis that we’re not bad people. If we can get their populace to the mindset of “these Americans ain’t so bad”, we’ll be 95% there. In order to accomplish this, we need to win them over one heart at a time. This means some guy who gets swept up and held for a few days, treating them well, and not shoving objects up his ass. By doing this the objective is to not have him loathing our fucking guts by the time he is released.

Little things go long ways.