So, if all rapists are men, should all men be punished as rapists?
Don’t laugh. It’s not so long ago that I heard (no cite) some Scandinavian wackjobess propose a “violence tax” to be paid by men to compensate women for the expectation of suffering violence.
You say people usually think about an act before committing it?!?!? You should call the MEDIA and get this story out there!
Really that has to be right up there with one of the stupidest things I’ve heard. You don’t really think that potential serial killers are fine upstanding people before they read just one too many books or watch one too many movies do you? If that’s how they’re wired they’re going to get their inspiration from somewhere.
I wish more parents would know what their kids were doing. That way moderators wouldn’t have to shut down threads where kids ask how to use the rape feature on a videogame.
You don’t know my opinion on censorship because I didn’t share it with you. (Clue: It’s not what you think it is.) Why didn’t I share it? Because this thread is not about whether violent video games should be censored. It’s about controlling what goes on HERE.
IMO, rape, even virtual rape, should not be anyone’s entertainment. And if it is, I wish you’d have the sense, if not the social graces, to keep it off these boards.
So we’d be senseless or socially graceless to speak of ‘Tess of the d’Urbervilles’? How about ‘The Shawshank Redemption’?
They don’t have to now. Why do you think they’re under some obligation to do so?
So when you said this:
You weren’t lamenting the fact that you are not in a position where you could ban the kind of things that you find offensive?
And I’m supposed to assume that you wouldn’t make this opinion into a law if you could, especially given your statement of lamenting the fact that you are not in a position to do so?
I wasn’t aware that you owned these forums. Some of us apparently don’t think there’s anything wrong with discussing depictions of rape in video games and where they can be found. You do, and because one mod agrees with you, you’re going to act all high and mighty about it? Who died and made you queen of sense and taste?
Then the parents should be paying closer attention to what video games their kids are playing, shouldn’t they?
And you know the age of DuhCow how, exactly?
Incidentally, have you ever played any videogames?
That “every” is a broad brush - I know from anecdotal experience that rape can be an impulse crime, but I’m not going to use that to back up my side of the debate, for instance.
Again with the “always” - I’d like a hard cite, please, not handwaving “Oh, look up a profile!” - which (scientific) profiles have you read that say that, statistically, 100% of rapists have fantasized about the deed? An actual title or author, even a website, that’s a cite.
Oh, great, now you’re censoring your opinions on censorship. Is there anything you won’t censor?
Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
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So when you said this: “A great lamentation, to be sure.” You weren’t lamenting the fact that you are not in a position where you could ban the kind of things that you find offensive?
No, I was making a sardonic comment that I’m sure it is a great lamentation TO YOU that I’m not an office holder.
Because an opinion = ownership?
Wow. Let me make clear to you that some people DO think that there’s something wrong with it. And that is why we’re discussing it.
I’ve had more logical discussions with my goldfish.
Mr. Dibble,
There can be no hard evidence that most men fantasize about raping before they do it because most criminals don’t admit, some don’t even believe, that they committed a crime in the first place.
However, here are some sites you can visit where researchers have attempted to come up with some generalities about rapists:
From Characteristics of a Rapist
“Such (power rape) offenders entertain obsessional thoughts and masturbatory fantasies about sexual conquest and rape…The offenses themselves are either premeditated or opportunistic.”
From Patterns of Rape
“The sadistic rapists’ assaults are deliberate, caculated and preplanned.”
I will also say that I’m not just speaking out of my ass. I was a rape crisis counselor for 18 months. I participated in a series of panel discussions which included therapists, victims, counselors AND offenders. I have more than anecdotal evidence on the matter. I don’t claim to be an expert, but I do know more about the subject than the average Joe.
Honestly. How people can defend the thread as if it were just another innocuous “how to” thread is truly beyond me. Rape as entertainment? What’s next? A videogame where you can pretend you’re a virtual Lee Harvey Oswald?
No, that was gratuitous Weirddave-bashing. Please keep the gratuities distinct. 
Damn you simupost. Damn youuuuuuuuu!
JFK Reloaded is actually quite interesting, though I didn’t bother coughing up the dough to fully activate it (allowing me to shoot virtual bullets). On the assumption that it’s an accurate simulation, Oswald’s shot from the 6th floor doesn’t really look all that difficult, Oliver Stone notwithstanding.
“Won’t someone please think of the children” should be modified to “Won’t someone please think of their own children (and concentrate on raising them, rather than try to sanitize all existence down to some personal comfort level).”
Frankly, the incidences of rape in American videogames (I ain’t touching the subject of Japanese entertainment, that’s a whole other thing entirely) are pretty damned low, it looks like. Rape in modern novels, even literature, seems far more prevalent. I think the OP of the other thread at the very least phrased it oddly, but hell, it seems like a ton of trouble to go through (sometimes) hours of playing through a videogame just to get to a point where you can press a couple buttons and violate some pixels with some other pixels, compared to how easy it is to pop in a videotape and watch Jodie Foster get violated in The Accused, for instance - much less the mess of porn/anime/whatever out there that’ll float someone’s boat.
Oh yeah, I’m a survivor of rape, if that matters. I have a hard time watching even serious presentations of it (the aforementioned Foster film, for instance), but I know that some people utilize it in an otherwise healthy sexual fantasy/roleplay life, and as long as they’re being respectful and safe, I don’t care.
So it’s “most” now? What happened to “all”?
That’s more like it - although both of those sites seem to be based on the same book, but the second one doesn’t attribute.
I don’t doubt that you know a lot about the subject, but it’s the absolutism in your points that I took issue with. Even the author quoted/paraphrased in those cites , A. Nicholas Groth, also wrote, “One of the most basic observations one can make regarding men who rape is that not all such offenders are alike.”
Well then, do you have a specific example of my making statements like those you mentioned in your previous post? :dubious: