He confessed to hitting his partner, and even the one-sided story from him seems questionable. He says that he slapped her in self-defense, which seems hard to sustain to me. Hitting someone or holding them to stop them from attacking you do seem like something you do to defend yourself, but slapping someone is the kind of thing you do to intimidate someone you don’t actually think is a threat to you, you’re hurting someone who you don’t think will hurt you back. While some people seem to be arguing that a slapping around a partner is ‘not as bad’ as punching, to me the fact that he was slapping her around argues that he was acting to hurt her and not to stop her from hurting him, so undercuts the claim that he was actually acting in self-defense.
This is not true. People here have argued that misdemeanor domestic violence, that is that your case of ‘hitting his domestic partner not in self defense,’ should not be considered justification for being disallowed from owning firearms. And not in the sense of having specific arguments with where the exact line is drawn, but disagreement with the fundamental concept of the law.
This shtick is getting old. The range of how funny you are and how funny you think you are, encompasses both Richard Pryor and Mike Pence’s nutsack. Besides that, for something to be satire, doesn’t it need to be just a little cleverer than this? Last, at what point does stating opinions you don’t in fact hold become actual trolling? Maybe It’s like right about now, when it appears some dopers apparently read it straight.
Straight or trolling, libtard still needs to be taken out of it. And I’m not entirely convinced it was trolling, the guy might actually be schizophrenic.
If it is trolling, the humor in it has long faded. Just state your point without pretending to be an asshole.
That’s cool man. I will have to post again here tomorrow when I have more time. I never said I was right or wasn’t up to the slings and arrows I knew I would face. Call me stupid all you want, wish imprisonment and multiple felonies all you want. It’s cool. I knew it was coming.
I do believe that it was worth it, just for the multiplicity of opinions we are seeing. I thought awhile before posting, trust me. But I’m also a heart on his sleeve kinda guy for better or worse.
I may or may not have something to share tomorrow after some events unfold. Should be interesting at any rate.
Obviously I need to either make my schtick funnier or abandon it altogether. I’ll attempt the latter. But first let me explain my purpose.
On an intelligence scale from 1 to 10, where Buttigieg and Klobuchar are 9’s, most Dopers are 7’s or 8’s, and a moldy bale of hay is a 1, the typical American gun nut is about 3.3. Trying to get through to a 3.3 with reason is futile — you’ll end up wanting to smash sense into their heads with a baseball bat and just end up breaking the bat.
The American gun nut can learn nothing from rational thought. Even Americans who are otherwise intelligent become spluttering turds of idiocy and hatred when the subject turns to guns. So I “hold up a mirror” to the imbeciles by pretending to be a gun nut with 3.1 intelligence.
Since rational discourse is of no use, I try to jog them out of their nightmare by imitating a gun-idiot just slightly stupider than them. I hope they’ll think “Well, at least I’m not that stupid” and perhaps introspect a little. If my caricature helps them shift from 3.3 to 3.5 on the intelligence scale, I’ve done a service.
Just like the racists are ok with an accepted avenue to maybe eventually allow voting again. I bet they love this law too, as it’s perfect for anyone scared of black people owning guns.
If someone is too dangerous to rejoin society, then they shouldn’t rejoin society. We’ve no evidence that’s the case here, just irrational fears.
But if you want to just ban the damn things outright, it’s no skin off my back.
Can you elaborate on this? Because I can’t see how the shape of one’s hand when hitting someone says whether or not you think they can hit back. I find it easier to slap at things than to punch them, and while I’ve never thrown a punch, I have slapped to defend myself–slapping away the arms.
Granted, I’ve never been in a real fight, which is part of why I never learned to throw a punch. I’m just thinking about when someone hit me or looked like they were going to hit me, both of which would count as self-defense, if I understand correctly.
OK, just because I’ve been seeing it not only here but in other places: *counSEL *
Always. Sure, the system is set up to impress upon you that “you’ll only make it harder for yourself if you make us work for it” but at the very least if you’re gonna fold, fold with full knowledge of what you’re doing.
And needless to say, then stick to the terms you have accepted. As mentioned, you take an even bigger risk by failing to do that.
Oh no. Gun nut doesn’t respect the majority of Americans.
For the record, I lost confidence in you when you talked about how you go swimming while armed with a pistol. I mean, what the fuck.
No one was advocating preventing anyone from ‘rejoining society’, but instead banning them from a specific activity (posessing firearms). Jumping from ‘restrict people who have a history of using violence inappropriately from owning tools extremely useful for violence’ to ‘ban them from society’ doesn’t seem like a reasonable leap to me.
I probably qualify as a gun nut to at least 80% of the people on this board, ‘ban the damn things outright’ is hilariously far from anything I’d want.
Slapping someone is simply not effective fighting compared to punching, kicking, elbowing, wrestling, etc. This is especially true when we’re talking about slapping someone in the face vs flailing around trying to push someone’s arms away, and the former is what the situation described for the OP sounds like. “I slapped her” has a lot of connotations, and I’m not going to pretend that those connotations don’t exist, and I’ve already written more words explaining my interpretation than the original statement has.
I’m pretty sure that the person in question had been in a fight before, and I’m pretty sure that what they called a slap was not just flailing away at someone’s arms to push them away from him.
Wait till the perennial “discussion” about whether sex offenders ever re-offend comes around, because the same guys who believe all women lie about rape also believe that guys who’ve been convicted of sex crimes apparently always tell the truth when self-reporting. Because sex offenders would never lie in a situation where telling the truth would get them put in jail. In these cases, “lack of arrests and/or convictions” is eagerly used as “proof of total and complete dewy-virgin-type innocence”, but women who are likewise lacking arrests and/or convictions (or men dislike) are just regarded as being too cunning to get caught, ergo evil. “Lack of arrests=innocent” only applies to men.
There is evidence that our subject may not be an ideal gun owner. Admission of domestic violence with a child present. Admission of maintaining a close relationship with a violent person. Admission of alcohol abuse.
This is not a person who needs to be incarcerated for the safety of everyone else, and he might otherwise be a productive member of society, but we don’t have to give him unfettered access to the most powerful handheld weapons humans have ever devised.
… the pen!!!
Who is injured or murdered by a vote?
And yet, though, all we have is his word, so that’s what people are basing their decision on. If new facts suddenly came to light, a lot of people here would feel differently, depending on those facts. But that won’t happen, as this is one person’s story and we don’t technically know if any of it even happened at all. So arguing details of a story that might actually be entirely fiction is, I feel, kind of moot.
Why does that bother you? 
Some of us also have critical thinking, life experience, and common sense to draw on. You’re free to just believe whatever people post on the internet if you want, of course.
Because it’s hilarious that someone is so afraid, that they have to take a gun swimming with them?