Virtual Strip Search -- Outrageous!

New Security Devices at Fla. Airport

This is outrageous! I do not want anybody looking at my naked body unless I invite her to!

“Oh, but it’s for your own safety!”

Do you really want Big Brother to tell you what’s “for your own good”? Perhaps the government should listen in on everyone’s telephone conversations “for their own safety”, just in case someone is planning a terrorist attack? Perhaps we should all have passes so that we can be monitored wherever we go, just to make sure we don’t go “where it would be bad”.

The price of freedom is responsibility. The People must be responsible. We must protect our right to be “secure in our persons”.

NO GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED VOYEURISM!!!

While I’m all for that this particular ‘right’ as been severely diminished in the US with the full blessing fo the Supreme Court. Ever see roadblocks that stop everyone on a given street (or every third car or some other random amount)? This would seem to fly in the face of being free from unreasonable searches but they have stood-up to court scrutiny.

It seems, roughly, that if you want to be free from unreasonable searches you need to stay at home where the privilege is still fairly intact. Once you go out in public you forego many rights you thought you had. I would suppose that this new x-ray machine would also probably stand-up to court scrutiny. Don’t like it? Don’t fly.

For my part I do see how many people would see this an an invasion of privacy and I support them in that notion. However, I’ve never been terribly concerned or bashful about people seeing me naked so if airport security gets a good look at what’s under my clothes then I hope they enjoy it…it doesn’t bother me much (although I don’t see why I’d willingly submit to it…I may not be bashful but I don’t run around naked for all to see either).

WTF? I hope they lose the sexism before the machine is put into widespread use.

Maybe the Gov’t will look into banning clothing as a threat to national security…

The Constitution does not forbid voluntary searches, Johnny. You may argue that as a matter of public policy, we should not make submission to “virtual strip searches” a requirement of flying commercially… and there’s merit to that point. But the Constitution is not implicated by this procedure; every person is free to turn away and refuse to be scanned.

  • Rick

Bricker: I disagree. Certainly a person can decide not to fly; but aviation is governed by a federal agency. If a company is forced to institute unconstitutional practices based on the orders of a government agency, then the rule is unConstitutional.

People have the right to travel in this country. Are we going to say, “Unless you parade naked in front of x number of people, you are not allowed to fly.”? Forget it!

This is not new and when I saw it on TV it was always said it was voluntary and you could refuse and be searched by traditional means. I guess you’d just have to wait longer. I doubt it would ever be “either this or you don’t fly”.

I hate waiting in line and I would have no problem with this if I gain time but I’m probably in the minority.

Looks like it’s on a voluntary basis as may have been mentioned. I think I’ve had enough radiation and/or xrays (esp. from the dentists), so I’ll just arrive earlier for the traditional pat down… The xray does looks pretty intrusive & distracting. I wonder if a record is kept of all of this stuff by our names/IDs.

All the more incentive to buy my own plane.

Wow, this is creepy. First, the picture in the Yahoo article shows a guy who looks like a corpse, or a spectre. I guess I’m dealing with that all right, it’s just nasty-looking. But the jockstrap, protecting his naughty bits from view? I have a feeling the image was altered after the fact - either that, or they need better jockstrap-penetrating technology - and gives the false impression that the screeners can’t see under your underwear. Misleading, nasty, deceptive, and I truly hope unconstitutional. Good one, Johnny.

That was a very misleading picture. Clearly the guy was wearing an X-ray opaque jockstrap. You could tell several ways - first of all, you can see very small details on the rest of the man’s body, including his nipples and belly button. Yet his entire genital area is basically a shadow. I suspect that you’ll get a pretty graphic image of the guys Johnson if he weren’t wearing that garment.

Second, if this were a regular man in pants, his unit wouldn’t be hanging straight down like that. It would be tucked to one side or the other. In the picture it looks like he must be wearing a robe or something.

My prediction: Within a few months of this thing being put into place, you’ll be able to find images of celebrities going through this thing. And most of those will be fake because you won’t be able to tell. But still…

Another troubling device is a chemical sniffer that is extremely sensitive. You step into a booth, and it blows air past you into a sensor array, which can pick up faint traces of explosives. That’s all fine, but it can also pick up faint traces of drugs. THAT is troubling. You could be at a party the night before where people are smoking pot, and then get flagged as a drug user in a government database. This is a serious abuse of power.

This stuff is just insane. Why are we tolerating this? It does NO good. For example, there was a news story today about another airport shutdown, because a woman’s underwire bra set off the detector.

But the reporters missed the big story within the story here - which is that the woman was allowed to get on the plane once they discovered that it was her underwire that was the problem. Why didn’t they confiscate the bra? After all, give me ten minutes with a grinding wheel and I’ll turn those underwires into rapiers. Even unmodified, the underwires in a bra are more dangerous than about a dozen items on the ‘banned’ list, like nail clippers, files, pocket knives, you name it. In fact, they can easily be made as dangerous as the box-cutter knives that were used in the first attack.

You just CAN’T secure yourself against that level of threat. And we’re spending billions and destroying the airline industry to try just that. It’s ridiculous. Give me a laptop and an hour, and I’ll build enough weapons into it to equip an entire attack team. Hell, all you have to do is scribe the shape of a dagger into the case, and then when you get on the plane flex it back and forth. The plastic will break on the scribe lines, and you have an instant dagger.

This whole ‘heightened security’ thing is totally ridiculous. You want security? Educate the population in how to resist, and let them defend themselves. Give pilots handguns, and reinforcing bars on the door. That’s enough. The rest of this all is just a bunch of hand-waving aimed at making us feel better, but it’s immensely wasteful and destructive to liberty.

I can’t believe this… I feel like I’m living in a parody of 1984.

What’s the name of that guy and his wife living on the abandoned floating fortress? I want to see if they’ll give me a work visa.

I wonder if you’d get in trouble if you powdered some iron filings and then mixed them in greasepaint and wrote “FUCK YOU” on your torso?

The photo remind me of the Shroud of Turin.:eek:

Those iron filings could be smelted into a WEAPON, y’know?

I see your imprisonment in lala land hasn’t dulled your sense of right and wrong, Johnny. And this is wrong.
The only way to travel accross the country for a seminar (or to Washing State for an interview) is by flying. There is no real alternative.
Looking a my wee wee is going too far. That’s private, and it’s up to me who I’ll grant that priviledge.
This really isn’t funny, is it?
Peace,
mangeorge

The drug sniffing part is never gonna fly.

It is gonna be so easy to throw a wrench in those works. I would have lots of fun doing this one. Find some contraban substance and simply spill some into the carpet in the area leading to the security checkpoints. People would step in it and track it in there…

It would be so easy to do with a number of substances. Cocaine would probably work especially well.

The mods are gonna be po’d if they see that one, scotth.
Anyway, I’m glad to see this bumped.
Where are all the freedoms folks on this? Isn’t your freedom from unreasonable search, to be secure in your person, just as important as your right to form a militia? Talk about your “slippery slope”.
I’m not ashamed of my old, flabby body. I’ll stand naked in front of anybody. If I chose to. Maybe I’ll post my FFN picture right here. But to be compelled to do so as a condition of going about my ordinary business goes against my grain. In a big way. What if I had breasts? A big ugly scar?
They can have my unwilling naked image when thet pry it from my cold, dead fingers.
Sorry. :mad:
Peace,
mangeorge

Well, this ‘freedom folk’ is totally steamed over this. I agree with you 100%. And a number of organizations are speaking up about it, on all ends of the spectrum.

Domestically, this war on terror is going seriously awry. Spending tens of billions of dollars to solve impossible problems, curtailing liberties, failing to take the long view (what happens if the next attack doesn’t come for 7 years?) etc. Tom Daschle is right, and Congress should get involved and use their oversight.

I have been through explosive sniffing machines. They go nuts over ammonia products like Windex.

I’ve also been at Heathrow where you go through the line or you don’t get into the country.