Ad nauseum until they get tired of the whole thing and decide to go have a drink together. At which point they start blurting out all their troubles.
V: Man, I just cannot get to this Harry Potter kid. It’s like the whole f***ing universe revolves around the little bastard!
P: Potter? Bah, you should see what trouble this little punk Luke Skywalker has been.
V: Hey, man … Skywalker doesn’t look like much effort at all. If I took him out, would you take care of Potter for me?
P: Deal!
In fairness Palpatine’s plan did require that everyone in the galaxy be both as trusting as a three-year-old (“Why yes, we’d love to take this army made by mysterious forces with unknown loyalties as our only military!”) and dumber than a bag of hammers.
Voldemort is a big bad villain on a small backwater. Palpatine is a big bad villain of a galactic empire.
24 posts and no one has mentioned Batman?
Jedi mind tricks only work on the weak-minded, or so it has been said.
Like most of these vs. threads, it comes down to which world the match-up takes place in. The one who belonged would have to summarily dispatch the interloper so the plot could chug along to its conclusion by the rules of that universe.
Obi-Wan lost his lightsaber when fighting the four-armed (and four-lightsabered!) cyborg General Grievous, but still won by prying open a bit of armor and shooting some essential organic bits with a blaster.
But we’re assuming a one-on-one fight, no armies involved.
Well I think Palpatine would win one on one. Voldemort is just not on the same scale as Palpatine. Voldemort is the biggest fish in a small pond, and Palpatine is the biggest fish in the ocean. Voldemort has to say ‘avada kevara’ and Palpatine just has to think, ‘Die’. I mean his pupil was able to strangle people on a different star destroyer. Voldemort has to initiate machinations to get to people. Besides, if Voldemort ever became a threat, Palpatine would feel the ripples in the force and just send the Death Star to destroy Earth. People here are thinking of a fight, they aren’t thinking of the fact that Palpatine knows what’s going on on multiple worlds at the same time.
You say that like it’s a BAD thing. But this one comes pretty close.
Let’s not forget the “long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away” part. So no, I don’t think Palp can send a Deathstar.
We’ll have to establish the battleground.
I think this is a case of whomever-shoots-first-itis.
Because of that, I vote for Palpatine. He’s not going to waste time on nonsense while dealing with an unknown threat. yes, he’s overconfident. OTOH, he was overconfident while sitting atop a nigh-unstoppable death ray fortress with half his vastly large fleet around him plus his personal champion, after having single-handedly orchestrated the utter annihilation of his opponents and attained control of an entire galaxy.
Voldemort was overconfident while being surrounded by mighty wizards… who were defeated routinely by reasonably bright children, after he himself was spanked half a dozen times by said reasonably bright children. And his sole victory was having pushed himself (barely) to the top of small society of inbred britons formerly led by even-more inbred and ineffective dolts.
OK, Palpatine’s minions aren’t great. I’d still wager a Stormtrooper over a wizard. And he’s got about 50 bazillion of them, so if the wizards get some, no biggie.
I think the rule of thumb is that unless otherwise specified “versus” discussions take place in a generic coliseum before a crowd of screaming fans and have to be removed from the source character’s original material.
Hey, I’d watch that. But can we give Mumble the One Ring?
In any case, I think there’s a flaw in the OP. Palpatine was never cool. Now Voldemort vs. Vader? I’d pay good money to see that.
Well, depending on the size of the coliseum, I see two outcomes. In a small coliseum we just plunk them down and say “fight!” and assuming both the Force and magic work, then Palp wins in seconds.
If we plop them down on a generic planet and say “find each other and fight” then I may have to give it to Voldemort. Palp may sense the future, but it’s usually unclear. Force adepts can only accurately see the future in the fraction of instants it takes to deflect blasters with a light saber, or avoid crashing a high speed vehicle.
Voldemort could I assume, use a variety of spells to locate and attack Palp from a distance.
Someone pointed out Vader was able to Force-choke someone on another ship, but he had a visual connection. That must be a requirement, because otherwise Sith could Force-choke all their enemies wherever they are.
So, Voldermort could locate and attack Palp, but without being able to get some sort of visual, Palp couldn’t attack Voldemort. Palp could only sense so many incoming attacks before tiring and losing concentration.
I always imagine these things taking place in that giant empty desert space from DragonBall Z. So Palpatine doesn’t get a Death Star, Voldy doesn’t get to sic a few trolls on Palpy.
One advantage I can think of for Voldy in such a situation is that hurling spells doesn’t seem to put too much strain on experienced wizards in the Potterverse. By contrst, using the Force seemed to require a lot of concentration for Palpy and Vader. Voldy might be able to wear his opponent down by trying to bring a mountain down on him or something.
In addition to what sturmhauke said, if we’re counting the Clone Wars cartoons as canon, the Jedi can totally wreck people’s shit with the Force. Mace Winu crushed General Grievous’ chest from quite a distance, for instance.
Bit of a stretch to say that, don’t you think?
Are you people kidding? I would kill Voldemort in a fight. One person with a pistol would rule the Potterverse. Voldemort and his lackeys are probably the least threatening enemies in all of fiction.
How about Voldemort v. Rincewind?
Sorry, I’m just too lazy to make up a decent OP for its own thread. Let it (the idea, not this thread) die, if nobody’s interested.
I think people might be giving Palpatine’s predictive powers too much credit. After all, to him the Imperial victory at Endor was a forgone conclusion, and he really blew it there. And as mentioned, for all his super elite predictive powers, he let a mortally wounded asthmatic old man in a bulky robot suit pick him up, carry him across the room, and drop him down a shaft. Sure he can shoot lightning from his hands and manipulate politicians, but I don’t see him as quite the demigod figure he’s being made out to be.
Voldy could put up a protego spell to block force lightning, and if we assume the force is magical, then it could block certain spells, but spells like Avada Kedavra are unable to be blocked by any magical means. Of course the first thing Palpy would do is take away his wand (though I wonder if ‘accio wand’ would work without the wand?) taking away a lot of Voldy’s power, but remember that he can fly and teleport without the use of one.
Rincewind of course would be incapable of doing anything to Voldy except fleeing from him, but if we factor in the Luggage, Voldy’s a goner. And then Palpatine for dessert.
What! Vader, an asthmatic old man? “I’m thirty-seven… I’m not old!” (“And I object to you automatically treating me as an inferior!”)
(According to the timelines I’ve seen, Anakin/Vader really was around 37 or 38 at the end of RotJ.)
Personally I think Palpy and Voldy would have gotten along like a house on fire. (Assuming that expression means get along very well – I’ve always wondered exactly why it does.) They’d both respect the immense and very different source of power in the other, and each seek to use the other as leverage in their own plans for world domination.
If Voldy ever showed Palpy how to make a Horcrux, though, it’d all be over. Palpy would definitely want to keep the holders of that information to a dead minimum. In which case I’d put my money on the Emperor, as he seems more ruthless and capable of truly subtle, long-term scheming.