I just stumbled across this video, and it got me thinking. (a quick search of thread titles didn’t pop up anything obvious, so please link if discussed before).
Just for wimsy’s sake, in this cross-canon showdown–who wins?
Sith powers vs wizardry. I imagine a lightsaber could cut an Elven blade in two if they met.
The video also raises the question of would Anakin Skywalker defeat Vader?
Vader kills Gandalf in the first fight, but he comes back “more powerful than Vader can possibly imagine” as Gandalf the White and kicks some Sith ass.
Vader wins in a squash. Gandalf can’t dps his way out of a wet paper bag. Force choke = fight over.
As an added bonus, what could Darth Vader do with the Ring of Power?
Gandalf could just summon a bunch of giant eagles to help.
Cue a bunch of people telling me why the eagles wouldn’t/couldn’t do it…
Oakminster, just to be clear–is **dps **in this use mean “damage per second”?
Cue: Wouldn’t Vader just slash through the Eagles just like he did the Wookies in the one novel set right after he became a cyborg?
ETA: I believe there’s a scene where he uses his lightsaber as a “boomerang”, so flying targets can’t evade Vader’s evil Sith powers…
Not so fast.
A light saber couldn’t destroy a ring of power so maybe a sword with elvish runes could resist it too.
Gandalf wouldn’t even break a sweat. He’s got Mayar Mojo.
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This fight entirely depends on how much the combatants know about each other prior to combat. If Vader lets Gandalf start some incantations, he could be in serious trouble; force-choke right away. If Gandalf knows what kinds of things Vader could use the Force for, he could find a way to circumvent them; illusions and so forth. My impression of Gandalf is that he was far more powerful than anyone realized during the whole Hobbit/Lord of the Rings thing, but that he held back from just dominating everything because his purpose was to help the lowly rise to the top. I don’t see a whole lot of stuff from the force other than a Spider-sense and some TK, maybe a little enhanced empathic ability, etc. Could Vader defeat a Balrog? Maybe. But then again, if Gandalf lived in a world where the Force was a real thing, don’t you think he’d know about it, and probably know how to use it as well?
“So he can’t breathe if I push that button on his chest?”
For the love of God Cukhoorex, please use paragraphs–you make interesting points, but the wall-o-text is hard to follow…
Yes.
He would give all of the rebels severe constipation until they capitulated. And yes, that little pecker head Yoda too.
A reluctant vote for Vader. He has access to more different kinds of power. He has the Force, a lightsaber, blasters, computers, droids, gravity fields, blast doors, drop shafts, airlocks, etc. Gandalf would be at a disadvantage in his environment.
Put the fight in Mirkwood, and Gandalf doesn’t lose so much of the edge, but he is still outflanked by all the various kinds of energies that Vader can fling.
I’ve only seen the LotR movies, and never read the books, but I was never clear on exactly what powers Gandalf even had. So I vote for Vader.
Turning invisible is not a huge advantage for vader:
Luke: I sense an evil presence.
<hoo-paaaah, hoo-paah>
Luke: Everybody shoot in that corner! Vader is trying to hide behind the potato chips!
I agree. Gandalf’s powerful, but it seems like all of his stuff requires concentration or “charging up.” Vader just immediately opens with a lightsaber throw or force choke and it’s over before it really begins.
Well no duh Gandalf can’t keep up damage, he’s a support. He needs tanking from Gimli and ranged DPS from Legolas.