Or maybe a four-word essay, like “It’s a Seinfeld quote”.
Personally, I just walk away. Love means never having to say you’re sorry.
As I read it in-thread, it was a very off-color post, and @chronos was correct with the mod note. As I read it yesterday, they felt it could/should be more but was getting other opinions, which is fine, better to have multiple options rather than go straight to a warning.
IMHO -at that stage- I would have stopped with the “very stern Mod Note.”
But as @MrDibble pointed out, it was arguing the moderation, and not well done at that. And posting a blind, unprepared video link, especially with our ongoing youtube issues as an ‘explanation’ or ‘rebuttal’ is possibly the worst way to do it. While I personally didn’t see it as doubling down, which would be an equally fair analysis of it when D_G didn’t bother to document it in any way, it’s a response that raises eyebrows especially in regards to the direct quote above.
I don’t know enough about D_G’s body of work to know if this was a one off, or a tendency. But at best, it was extremely poorly thought out. A warning isn’t a last thread by any stretch, and maybe it’s a good way to make D_G think about not only what, but how they post.
Arguing Moderation in thread is a really good and fast way to get a warning.
Also, stop interpreting Chronos’s writing as him being annoyed or angry. You can ask him if he was, but don’t put words in his mouth.
Exactly and everyone should really know this by now.
To the best of my knowledge, @Darren_Garrison is far from a problematic poster.
This site has what is, to me, a quirky definition of “arguing” moderation. I didn’t say anything about questioning the moderation in the thread, simply posted a link clairifying my meaning. I see it often with other posters, too, when they attempt to clairify something but do not actually question the moderation they are accused of “arguing the moderation” when they are not. Perhaps it would be better to simply say “do not comment on the moderation in any way in the thread” rather than to call it something that it isn’t.
Also, if there is one thing I’m guilty of it is assuming that media references are more universally familiar than they are. I actually had a similar event with you a while back:
LOL, well at least you didn’t get a warning from me. But that time you didn’t just barelink a video in the reply either. Words do tend to help.
But without saying that you were quoting that scene (which you really didn’t, btw), it looked to me like you said something crude, then used that obscure scene to justify what you said after the fact.
Here’s the thing–that is not an obscure scene. That video is from the Turner Broadcasting System’s official Youtube channel.
Here’s the thing-You didn’t quote the scene.
Not every scene from Seinfeld is gold, Darren. Gold!
Why is it that the people with breasts on this board must always suck it up and take a “poor attempt at humor” in stride?
When @Chronos solicited mod input on the post, I spoke up and said I found the comment gross and gratuitous. Nothing said in this thread persuades me it was anything else. The fact that it was humorous 30 years ago to some on a television program does nothing to make it less offensive in the present day.
Furthermore, it wasn’t even an accurate statement about Ms. Mansfield’s death or why her death should be considered a “death that sort of defines a person.” When I think of Jayne Mansfield, I don’t automatically think, “Oh, yeah. She was the one who died because her breasts smothered her.” When I think of a death that sort of defines a person, I remember the father of one of my brother’s girlfriends who was a cop. He died in the line of duty. He was directing traffic for a funeral and got run over by the hearse. Not a famous person, but his death absolutely defines him.
I recommended a warning. @Chronos showed restraint and didn’t issue one until the non-clarification clarification was posted.
We’re trying so hard to reduce casual misogyny on this board. Please think twice about if your post will be found humorous by many posters. In this case, I think not.
How many videos are on the Turner Broadcasting System’s Official YouTube Channel™? Are they all well known to everyone?
They can’t all be Ovaltine.
Obscure isn’t in reference to the show Seinfeld, one of the most celebrated sitcoms of all time. It’s that particular quote, made out of context. There were a number of memes, catch phrases, and popular lines that came from that program. (The first one that pops into my mind is, “not that there’s anything wrong with that”.) But your quote isn’t one of them. It’s an obscure quote from a popular (now classic) show. And devoid of context, it’s not something the average person is going to pick up on. Or even someone who is a big fan of the show and has seen pretty much every episode, many more than once. (I’m talking about myself here.)
It was a really poor choice of a quote, very tone deaf, and your defensiveness around it and general response to the moderation and other criticism does not look good at all.
Let the record show that I didn’t actually create the ATMB thread…
Personally, watching @Darren_Garrison’s defense of the usage is convincing me that the warning is deserved. If they had, perhaps, apologized for an extremely off color, inaccurate, and sensationalist post and a mea culpa for posting a bare link with zero explanation, I’d be of other minds.
The “it was a joke” and “everyone should share my cultural assumptions” defense is beyond threadbare.
Know your audience.
The link was the explanation.
Exactly my thought. If it went like, “Crap, I thought you all would get that, my bad, never mind, won’t do that again.” I’d say, we’ve all done that before. (I know I have.)
The “no apology, I did nothing wrong, it’s your fault if you didn’t get it” response is pretty bad.