Deaths that sort of define a person
Darren posted a link that demonstrates it’s a (near) quote from an episode of Seinfeld.
I don’t think this should be a warning. A note, possibly. But the fact that it’s a quote from popular culture makes a difference.
And I don’t understand the anbgry reaction from @Chronos. Why does pointing out the source of the quote make it worse?
From three decades ago? There are a lot of things we thought were funny back then that are simply offensive now. The Frasier link in that thread is another one that hasn’t aged well. I’m not sure that kind of humor should be moderated but giving it some kind of protected status because it was thought harmless in the past is ridiculous.
Agreed, repeating a tasteless joke from a recognized source does not make it less tasteless.
In what way?
Arguing moderation in the same thread has always been a no-no, I’m sure that fed into it. And that whole sketch is just about objectifying a woman, so it’s hardly the defence Darren and you seem to think it is.
I’ve gone through the thread twice looking for a “Frasier” link.
Little help?
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I’d probably stick up for Darren in some similar instances, but this time he has the problem that the joke wasn’t funny when it was used on a sitcom. It’s not really awful, Jayne Mansfield was famous for her breasts, which she and others referred to humorously throughout her career. It’s just not a funny joke, her death was simply a horrific accident not at all related to her physical attributes.
I would reduce the severity of the mod note though, it was a poor attempt at humor.
Okay, if you don’t think that quoting popular culture makes a difference, I won’t try to argue it.
I suppose the biggest point is, it was a mod note until Darren explained where it came from, and then it was upgraded to a warning. I don’t understand the reason for the upgrade. I don’t see why this should annoy Chronos, or make it worse.
I don’t have a problem with the note.
If you get a mod note, apologize and walk away.
Or bring it up to the mod via PM or open an ATMB thread if you must. But not in the thread.
So quoting popular culture somewhat excuses crudity?
All In The Family, anyone?
It might when a crude joke pertains to the subject. In this case it didn’t.
Yeah, it was meant as an explanation, not a doubling-down. Media-reference jokes are deeply engrained in the culture here, and I took it for granted that it would’ve been recognized as a Sienfeld reference. I very certainly did not expecting an eye-rollingly hyperbolic rant.
I’ll eat the warning without complaint, but there also will be no contrition, and no apology.
FWIW, I was a fan of Sienfeld and watched the entire series, and I didn’t get the reference.
Post #67 — “Lupe Velez”.
It is literally the only thing I think of when I hear of Jane Mansfield. I didn’t even know how she actually died until I googled her last night after the beginning of the brouhaha. To me she has always been somebody that used to be a model or something who is mentioned in a classic Sienfeld episode. (On a similar note, if I saw someone mention Jill Goodacre, I know only that she was once trapped in an ATM vestibule with Chandler, and would have pointed that out.)
Seinfeld
I thought it looked wrong, but then checked how DG spelled it and changed it.
hangs head in shame
Yet another factor is that @Darren_Garrison didn’t explain the origin of the quote. He just stuck in a link to a video of tasteless breast jokes, without any explanation. Surely, we all realize by now that contextless links are bad?
Yes, in the future we must all write a 500-word essay summarizing any link that we are going to post.
Where did that happen?
Never mind, I should’ve read the whole thread before posting.