Mate you do realise theyre (justly) mocking you, right?
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Given the global fascination with various aspects of black American culture, yes, you’d have to say it was unique.
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Nobody invented the idea of humans as property. It’s a phase of development that every agricultural society goes through. What’s weird about the US is it’s traditional equation of African ancestry to a kind of caste pollution, particularly during Jim Crow. http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=12,http://backintyme.com/essays/?p=16
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The black American musical tradition derives primarily from the voice, drums, and certain stringed instruments. None of these were invented in Europe. At all. Period. In fact, the banjo was invented by slaves based on stringed instruments they had known in Africa. Black American music has made use of European derived instruments since being introduced to them, of course.
The musical traditions of jazz, and blues were invented by black Americans. Black American music was one of the essential elements of rock and roll. By essential, I mean that it could not have come into existence without this influence. This is all settled scholarship, so you’re making an argument from ignorance here.
4) There are plenty of cultures which haven’t been conquered and colonized in the way that black Americans have. Japan, the Scandinavian countries, Switzerland, etc. China was colonized, but not nearly to the extent that sub Saharan African countries were.
Generally speaking, being conquered and colonized is a bad thing. That’s why everyone fights like crazy to avoid it. I’m quite sure that if the Japanese had succeeded in their attempt to conquer and colonize the US, complete with the Nanjing style murder-rape spree, the descendants of the conquered and their half caste offspring would still be in a demoralized state many decades later.
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Black Americans are in fact, Americans, having lived in English speaking North America in large numbers for over 300 years, being as fmr Secretary Rice put it one of the “founding populations” of America. The fact that there is injustice in the world at large doesn’t make injustice in the US acceptable.
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Unfortunately, there is no connection between recognizing a woman’s beauty and refraining from enslaving her. In fact, it’s the opposite. Beautiful women have often been bought and sold. There was a huge market in the Arab world, for example, for slave women of central European origin, because many wealthy Arab men found them beautiful.
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Black Americans were banned outright from most colleges in the US until the post WWII period. Even when black students were admitted to schools like Princeton based on their academic records, they were turned away when they actually tried to attend. http://www.aaregistry.com/detail.php?id=2796
Nobody solicited your opinion. The opinion of random Peruvians about black Americans isn’t worth very much. (When Peru is a global contender in anything except coca production, call us. We’ll wait. :D)
( I post only in the interest of fighting ignorance. 
) Since you seem like an otherwise intelligent person, I can only guess at the cause of your inaccurate rambling here.
And we’re done here.
Can you in fact demonstrate that poverty stricken Appalachians are descendants of indentured servants? My impression is that most of the descendants of indentured servants are regular working to middle class white and black Southerners. Some of them, I’m sure, left the Tidewater and migrated into the mountains, but most of them stayed where the money and the jobs were, or emigrated to more productive areas in the South, Midwest, and West. The general trend for working class white Americans up through the post WWII generation, has been a substantial increase in prosperity and life expectancy.
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Paintings featuring Jesus from the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries by El Greco, Rembrandt, Rubens, and others. None of the Jesuses in these paintings look black.
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What are you actively doing to end racism and white supremacy?
How does hanging out in Dutch libraries and ranting on the internet end racism?
Wouldn’t increasing the number of prosperous, stable countries in Africa and the Caribbean do more to refute white supremacy than pointless theorizing about blood quanta in European nobility?
Well if I talk about a person with swarthy skin I mean a person who looks South European. That meaning he has white skin but isn’t as pale as people in Northern Europe.
Hold on there, bucko! Let us be sure we have completely unhooked the bra strap of evidence before we gallop along to the home run of scientific certainty.
I don’t believe you have sufficiently addressed one basic problem with your theory - namely, that woodcuts and such tend to make folks look a wee bit darker than might a photograph from life.
Perhaps because
Doesn’t this rather mean that, not only are your portraits insufficient evidence, the descriptions you also offer are insufficient as well?
Sure. And therefore…?
A much more vexed question. I think one can conclude that different demographic groups have different rates of crime, without believing that those groups are inherently more lawless.
Not seeing what this has to do with anything in particular, but since you ask…
I imagine black Americans are markedly less frightened (and therefore, presumably, more s…-filled) than a couple or three years back. But again, I don’t see the relevance of pictures of our Fearless Leader and Nobel Laureate for Doing Nothing In Particular painted white as evidence of anything.
No, I can be perfectly candid, especially in light of the last. The notion that Bush masterminded the 9/11 attacks is one that has been so extensively exploded and discredited that it serves merely as a marker. Those who espouse this theory are signaling in the clearest manner possible that they lack even a semblance of ordinary intelligence or critical thinking.
In other words, both your theory that European nobility was actually soul brothers, and your ideas about 9/11, are the sheerest moonshine, and lack any connection to reality at all.
Regards,
Shodan
- Unique doesn’t mean good (or bad).
- Reading comprehension starts with reading well. I said “black women”. I can’t imagine Shi Huangdi having many black female slaves.
- Sure, but there’s nothing like blues in Africa.
- Did the Norse peoples find a terra nullis when they arrived in Scandinavia?
The Ainu might want to have a word with you, too and so many non-Han Chinese. Switzerland has been colonised by several groups of people.
Exactly like Africa? No. Of course the African empires did not grow by politely asking. - Agreed, but it also doesn’t make it special.
- Sure, but I never claimed they were opposed in any way.
- Like many people in mnay cointries throughout history.
But you did. I didn’t hack your Facebook account, you posted on a message board. If you can’t stand being proven incorrect, refrain from posting.
Attacking my country or nationality…very playgroundy, hints at anal pain.
What’s next…“my dad kicks your dad’s ass”?
Easy research on the whys and wherefores of black Madonnas. In summary : some of them didn’t start out as black, but the paint got washed out by time, leaving the wood beneath ; others are actually statues of Mary Magdalena (who was very much worshipped by early Christians, before she was re-cast as a prostitute down the canonical road), or remnants of the cult of Isis. And some, yes, got made because the artist thought Mary really was black or semitic - but since they were made centuries after the fact, they don’t exactly count as reliable sources, do they ?
We’ve got a “truther”. I think it’s time to pack it in, guys. And dude, I think the reason whites are insulted by being referred to as albinos is due to the fact that it’s a medical condition. NOT a race. Get it? Got it? Good.
I hate to reply to this one again, but we were watching Christmas Vacation at my cousin’s last night, and I got this image of ol’ Louis standing in his robes emptying his bidet into the Seine, waving at visiting royalty and yelling out, “Joyeux Noël, the ‘merde-er’* was full!”
(William III of England backs up slowly into Palace of Versailles)
- Unique doesn’t mean good (or bad).
In the case of black Americans, the culture continues to have a global impact, and has since the 1920’s. Of course it’s special.
- Reading comprehension starts with reading well. I said “black women”. I can’t imagine Shi Huangdi having many black female slaves.
I suppose you can make the weaselly argument that since other Africans were probably the first people to enslave Africans, that they somehow “invented” the practice. It would be a massively stupid argument to make, though, because the great majority of slavery throughout history has involved people of roughly the same color enslaving each other, because those were the people available to be enslaved.
- Sure, but there’s nothing like blues in Africa.
Not true at all. The traditional music of Mali is very similar to the blues.
- Did the Norse peoples find a terra nullis when they arrived in Scandinavia?
The Ainu might want to have a word with you, too and so many non-Han Chinese. Switzerland has been colonised by several groups of people.
Exactly like Africa? No. Of course the African empires did not grow by politely asking.
The current inhabitants of Scandinavia, and Japan weren’t conquered and colonized. Switzerland was never colonized in ways resembling sub Saharan Africa.
- Agreed, but it also doesn’t make it special.
Actually, black Americans have occupied very distinct positions in American society throughout US history. The way American law and society have reacted to black Americans has consistently been distinct and unusual in comparison with the way that other Americans have been treated. This is all settled history, btw. Your argument here, again, is from ignorance.
- Sure, but I never claimed they were opposed in any way.
Sure you did:
- Like many people in mnay cointries throughout history.
Actually, this is wrong too. Black Americans were able to attend leading universities in Europe before they were allowed to attend comparable institutions in the US.
But you did. I didn’t hack your Facebook account, you posted on a message board. If you can’t stand being proven incorrect, refrain from posting.
Attacking my country or nationality…very playgroundy, hints at anal pain.
What’s next…“my dad kicks your dad’s ass”?
Again, almost all of your claims are wrong on a factual basis. You just don’t know enough about the subjects at hand to have an informed opinion. Your attempt to link black American intellectuals to Maoist revolutionaries (I’m assuming) in Peru is just plain nuts. It’s as big of a reach as the OP. Again, Peru’s problems are Peru’s. They have nothing to do with black Americans.
“Hints at anal pain”? Maybe you’re on the wrong website. Here’s a clue: this one doesn’t have bright, flesh colored pictures. 
Yes the royal families didn’t disappear in 1789 as Egmond Codfried seems to think. The same families went on with their same intermarriages and their grandchildren looked all white on photographs taken in the 19th century.
In the 1950’s in America normal usage was “white/negro”. In the 60’s “negro” was replaced by the term “black”, before this the word “black” didn’t particulary mean the skin color. Still in many European countries the word “black” is beig used for people with very dark hair but with white skin, especially among older people.
- As special/unique as beer, jeans, cars, tv, writing, pizza.
Aside from music (and even then considering the multiple influences) I fail to see the global impact you mention. Could you point them out for me? - It’s not weaseling if it is the argument I was trying to make, i.e. that the business of selling blacks to non-blacks existed way before whites crossed Cape Bojador.
- My knowledge of traditional Mali music is at its all-time low. I’ll check on it.
- Of course the “current” Scandinavian and Japaneseguys haven’t, they kicked out the previous “current” guys. Switzerlnad has a history of various groups going in it: 4 languages in a small country. I agree that any conquest/colonization of Swizterland was different from sub-Saharan Africa, but it is bound to be like that.
- With respect to blacks in the U.S. specifically: agreed (of course the Indians got royally screwed too). On the other hand, legally-enforced oppression is hardly unique to blacks in the U.S.
- Let’s see. They are not mutually exclusive. My point was that, while being called irretrievably ugly is horrible, it plaes in compoarsion to being sold. It means that I’d rather someone call me stupid than cut my arm. They are not opposed, both things can happen simultaneously.
- Are you denying that segregation and discrimination has existed throughout history? You right with regrads to blacks studying in Europe, but it doesn’t invalidate my general point. If you wish to restrict the whole discussion to only the experience of blacks in the U.S. and not even hint at the similarities in other plcaes/times, more power to you.
I know enough about the general subject to make a more global view of the issue. If you want to make the case “AA history is special” you can’t say “but no comparisons are allowed”. I didn’t compare by any stretch of imagination black intellectuals with Maoist terrorists. However, a movement, any movement, built on resentment, historical grudges, and hate (however justified) does not usually end with singing Kumbaya. What is worse, other people may use these ideas to uses the original thinkers find (would have found) wrong. Peru’s problems may have nothing to do with the problems of blacks in the U.S., however comparing issues usually helps.
“flesh colored” means…? In a thread about blacks you might want to be careful with implying that some colors may not be “flesh colored”.
Except that this was not any more of a common occurrence in Africa than in Europe or Asia or the Americas. There was some selling of slaves any time some empire got large enough to fund the practice, but it was never common, anywhere. Slavery in Africa–as in Europe, Asia, and the Americas, tended to be either the forced labor of war captives or the indentured servitude of the poor. The creation of a massive market to capture and sell slaves in large numbers was introduced to Africa by outsiders. Certainly Africans participated in it–people are no damned good–but they did not “create” the market or the practice and it did not occur with any regularity prior to the Arab and European incursions into Africa.
(And as for your claim that blacks were selling blacks to non-blacks before whites got involved, to whom do you claim they were selling blacks? Green Martians?)
Actually, colonization of Africa does appear to be nearly unique in history. In previous periods of colonization, the indigenous people were either murdered or permitted to be involved in the governing of the country. Only in Africa was the local population both kept alive as labor while being denied any possible role in the government and bureacracy of the country. (Spain and Portugal had a run at a similar mode of colonization in the Americas, but it did not last, morphing into the standard modes in a relatively short time. Only Africa was treated in that particular way right up until coloialism ended.)
To the Arabs, who else?
I already noted that Arabia and Europe were the ones who invaded Africa. Arabs are white, (or, at least, “Caucasian”), so what is your point?
We agree that slavery of some sort existed before Europeans arrived. People were bought and sold before even the Arabs came into the game. They may not have been chattel in many (most cases). Barbary pirates bought and sold slaves.
Yellow Jovians actually, but most was to Arabs and Northern Africans, and some across the Indian ocean.
You’re right in that some aspects of the colonization of Africa did not happen in other models. Did resistance to “European” diseases play a role?
You said my post had good questions and then didn’t respond to any of them. Do you have a cite of American Revolutionary propaganda claiming that the European royals were black?
But, if the royal families of Europe had been acutally black, wouldn’t it be “reasonble” to be racist at black now the “we” whites are in power? It’s payback.