Was I a jerk?

My cousin and I had a rare chance to visit the other day. We started talking about family stuff. We realized that we were fairly confused about exactly how our various family members are related and what our roots are. We sent out some emails to our respective parents, mining for information. What we got back complicated things further, however, so I decided to use an online program to make a family tree. (Gene.com). It works like Facebook, where you can only view another person’s tree if you have been invited. I invited the family members I had email addresses for so that they could make corrections as needed.

About a week later, after tracking down some unusual edits from one person I invited, I discovered that several members of the family were deeply offended that I had put their names and the names of some other distant relatives on the internet without asking them first. These were people that I had not invited in the first place because I didn’t have email contacts for them. Or because some of them were dead. Apparently, I was supposed to ask their descendants for permission.

So, a bit puzzled by the outrage, I took the page down. I even took the extra steps of contacting the offended parties by phone to apologize for assuming they’d be ok with the project and clarify that I didn’t post anything in an unsecured fashion and that what I did put up was publicly available information, anyhow.

In return, I have been either: berated, told I was putting their identities up for theft, told that it was not my place to go asking such things, belittled for asking my dad for information because Random-Aunt-whom-I’ve-spoken-to-once-ever has already researched all of this, accused of attacking their culture and heritage, and hung-up on and ignored.

Now, I think they are wrong, but I can see where they are coming from about the possible identity theft aspect. Kind of. The other stuff seems from left field to me. Am I wrong? Was I a horrible jerk?

Not in my view.

You mentioned than an Aunt had previously done all this. Did she get the same response? Was her research offline only?

Jerk seems a pretty harsh word but I think you should have asked for permission (from the person or their descendant) before putting people’s names online as a courtesy.

A lot of us use the internet so often and are so used to seeing our own details online, we forget that others are a bit more (or in some cases, a lot more) touchy about their own details.

Offline only. And then apparently stuffed back into the same boxes from whence it came. The Cousin has spent a lot more time with that Aunt, and was still just as in the dark as me, so clearly she didn’t volunteer the information much, not even to other family.

This isn’t the first time I’ve encountered a “We are the grown ups, you are the children” combined with “we do not discuss these things with Children” vortex with these family members. But it is the first time I’ve been so thoroughly smacked for it.

You’re right, sandra_nz. And I do feel guilty for not thinking of it. It is clear, though, that they would have turned me down and been irritated at me even if I had thought to ask. Que sera.

Probably the real kick in the teeth is that they are also all pissed at my dad and my cousin’s mom, the first people we turned to for information. They are mad at them for not schooling us well enough to know better.

Where is the line drawn? My mum has gotten the family tree back quite some way. Asking permission of every descendant of every relative is not in any way feasible. If the data is not publicly available, only to invited family members, then I do not see the issue.

That was my thinking too, and a point I made to those of them who are still speaking to me. Apparently, it doesn’t matter how secure the website is because it could be hacked. Even though the only information any hacker would get they could also find out by opening the phone book. :rolleyes:

So, there’s a vein of technophobia there and it was poor form of me for not thinking that they might be technophobic. I guess. :frowning:

You don’t see the issue, because you understand the internet. A lot of people don’t.

I’d suggest a sensible line would be asking permission from living relatives to use their names and their parents names. So long as they’re happy with that, I think it would be safe to assume you could use names of ascendents further up the tree.

Is pullet a jerk?

I wouldn’t have thought so but if you dabble your toes in the murky waters of family history you can easily lose your leg.

If it had been me I would have used a PC application rather than on-line, but that’s .

Assuming you aren’t now totally gun-shy on the project I’d try and make contact with the “Random-Aunt-whom-I’ve-spoken-to-once-ever” who has run the same gauntlet but in a time when ID theft wasn’t the issue it is now. Check all their source documents, but use that skeleton.

My mother had a similar experience when she put together a history of the local region in the past 150 years. One of the sprawling clans (related to Mum and near neighbours) traced their ancestory back to two brothers who were district pioneers, and who had a testy relationship.

One of the branches put in a detailed history of both sides and did a laudable job except that they got two dates mixed up 12/01/1892 and 01/12/1892. Unfortunately one was a wedding date and the other a birthday. For a while we thought it would be the Hatfields and the McCoys. Outbuildings were burn, fences cut, machinery sabotaged, stock misappropriated.

Believe normal relations have been resumed.

Many of the extant family members live on different sides of the planet. We only know they exist because they are descendants of the person we used to know, who is now dead. And, to complicate things, many of them have familial names that are not their legal names and no one remembers their legal names. So, getting in touch with them would be tricky.

But, there probably is more information in the Aunts Magic Box of Skeletons.

I think I am completely gunshy at this point, penultima thule. No wonder us Kids have little interest in knowing our ancestors.

Take your reseach offline then, so you don’t have to worry about the whole permission issue.

I’m with you, One and Only. The technophobic be damned.

They’re more likely to have their identity stolen by not shredding every credit card application they receive or by using their debit card at a gas pump (those things get compromised more than you’d like to know) than by having their name on a rather secure website. I’m sure these people haven’t stopped their mail for fear of someone going through it… but they’ll alienate your family for it.

Good riddance.

I don’t think the OP did anything wrong, at all.

However, seeing as how some family members are freaking out, I’d say he would probably be best served by taking the project offline. But again, I don’t think the OP was a jerk, not one bit.

Of course you should have asked for their permission to put their names on. Heck, I am not a technophobe at all and still feel you should.

However, to be totally hostile to the idea of you learning about your family…just seems silly and petty.

Putting someone’s name on the interwebs will not increase their chances of identity theft. Do these people not realize that most state’s birth records are publicly available? Probably not. Keep doing your geanology research and focus on your own tree, you and up. Nobody can fault you for that.

I recently traced my ancestors back to the 1600’s. I found it quite interesting.

Projects like this always come down to one problem: What’s in it for me?

If you had perhaps going to the masses with a

“Hey - I know I’m just a child and you are the all knowing ones - but I appreciate all y’all and want to pay tribute to my heritage so my descendants can know all about what fine, amazing and historic stock they come from. I’d love to find out what family tree research we might have and see if I can’t put together something at my expense that all of you will have access to. Would you be gracious enough to help me with this project?”

they would have probably fallen all over themselves trying to help you.

Were you a jerk? Absolutely not. What you did was not malicious, but it made people uncomfortable because you were talking about them and they didn’t know why or how they would benefit.

Have you even considered that one reason this raised everybody’s hackles, and why no one is forthcoming with the info you seek, is that there is some item in the family history that everyone would rather not have see the light of day?

That can make people sensitive, y’know. And it would explain a lot of conflicting stories or unwillingness to participate.

The identity theft issue notwithstanding, (somewhat valid), it may be just a convenient reason.

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This was my response too. Hackles instantly up, visions of meddling kids and monster masks being ripped off of grumpy old lighthouse keepers.

I do think though that the majority of what you are facing is tehcnophobia, and that it is OK to smile sympathetically and get on with it. As long as all you are putting up is the names, there is nothing anybody couldn’t get from the phone book, as you said.

It is important to note though, that Name + DOB + city of birth + Mother’s maiden name can equal access to some websites. I’m doubting that the folks in question use online banking, but if those details were on there, then they could have a point.

Re identity theft: if the family tree is only able to be viewed by invitation, as described in the OP, I think he has taken adequate precaution to keep the data reasonably secure. Not 100% secure, but very reasonably secure.

That’s why I think the OP did nothing wrong.

I would attribute some of the reaction to your innocence of the true family history. You state that you and your cousin have some confusion about who is who in relation to who. I think this is probably deliberate on the part of some of your elders, and by treating this as all just ‘data’, rather than deep family stories, you’ve opened old wounds inadvertently.

Maybe they don’t want to talk about that early death 80 years ago, or the confusion over whether someone is a sibling or a child (maybe in reality it’s both), or what really happened with great-uncle Chester’s first wife.

Every family has skeletons, and you’ve gone poking in the closet with a flashlight.

Hey - here’s a true story to cheer you up!

My uncle ‘JW’ was married to a woman we’ll call Chris. Together they had 5 daughters. Then Chris passed away. My uncle remarried another woman named Chris, we’ll call her Chris II.
Chris II had 2 teenage daughters from a previous marriage: Shelly and Anne. JW and Chris II have 3 kids together: Luke, John, and Leigh.

JW was a farmer in Pennsylvania who worked in the coal mines during the winter, only lately the coal mines didn’t need workers. So he was home during the day while Chris II works at the bank and the kids were school. All the kids but Anne, that is, who was now in her mid-20s and works part time at the bank with her mom.

Anne & JW are home alone together a lot, and one thing leads to another (as they can on the farm) and now Anne is pregnant with JW’s baby. Chris II & JW naturally divorce. Baby Lulu is born. Anne & JW become an official couple and remain together through the remainder of JW’s life.

All of JW’s kids from his first marriage to Chris I basically disown him. Chris II and Anne continue to work together at the bank. Luke, John, and Leigh grow up and start their own families, but remain close with their dad.

Every year until his death, JW comes to the annual Harmonius family reunion (which has been going on since '76.) Anne and baby Lulu accompany him along with his kids from Chris II and their families.

The hosting of the reunion rotates, so whenever it’s JW’s turn to host - Chris II will often stop by to see everyone and say hi. And to play with baby Alba, her grandchild. Who is also the daughter of her ex-husband, and the niece/sibling of her children - one who is also Alba’s mom.

The Harmonius family reunions regularly have anywhere from 45-85 attendees and there’s always someone who attends for the first time.

Whenever they ask us, “Now explain to me who everyone is and how they’re related.” we’ll go around and point out everyone until we get to JW’s clan. Instead, we just say - “And this is our family from Pennsylvania.”