Uh, the Old Testament Prophet Isaiah wrote that.
It pays the bill if the one in Hell is The Eternal God.
Actually, the bill was paid at His death. His death cry “It is finished” was the Greek word "Tetelestai’ which was used when a criminal had completed his punishement and was freed. The ‘three days in Hades’ was His rescue mission to evangelize the departed spirits.
I don’t understand why.
But God is the biller. So all this crucifixion business was ultimately done so that God could pay a bill to himself.
It is expected that we praise God for sacrificing his son for man’s salvation. But no one seems to think it reflects poorly on God that such a sacrifice was necessary in the first place. That, moreso than the premise of the OP, detracts from the meaningfulness of Jesus’s death, for me.
And why did Jesus go to hell in the first place? He was sinless. If Jesus was sent to hell, that must mean hell was the destination for everyone else who had died before him. What a crock of rot! God set up this system, and we’re suppose to be overcome by his generosity and mercy just because hell is no longer the absolute default?
Furthermore, his death was not a “sacrifice” in the gift-to-God ritualized sense. The people who killed him weren’t making an offering to God; they were conducting business as usual. Execution. How could God “claim” this sacrifice when it was simply capital punishment?
If a head of state started a brutal, baseless war with another country for purely self-serving reasons, I’d feel no sympathy for them if their child perished in battle. And if the only reason they decided to stop war was that their child had “paid the price”, that wouldn’t make him look any less despisable. If anything, it would make him more despisable. It’s easy to call it quits when you’re the one that is losing, much harder when it’s other people.
If you accept the basic premises of Chritistianity - that an omnipotent God created the universe and that Jesus is God, then the whole crucifixion doesn’t make sense. Who was Jesus sacrificed to? Himself? Why did God need a sacrifice to redeem humanity from a law that only existed because he said it did? And if God’s omniscient, didn’t he know back when he created original sin that he would eventually change his mind about it? If so, why did he go ahead and create it anyway?
You basically end up with a situation where God killed God so that God would allow God to change God’s mind.
Yes and no. Jesus being the bridegroom and the believer (church) being the bride become one in flesh. They are one person in the eyes of God. As such that one person has paid the penalty for sin, that being death.
Also it doesn’t matter how many ‘sins’ one commits as if you break one law you are as if you broke them all, the penalty for one sin is the same as for 2 or 3, namely one death.
So one death satisfies all sins.
Also the law includes the laws imposed by man, as they are given authority to impose those laws by God by His Word.
Gibberish. And as pointed out many times, there’s no reason he or anyone needed to pay any penalty.
God has no authority, or the right to give authority to anyone ( even if he was real ).
Give me a cite for that. My understanding is that you will face judgment after death, but the only ones who are dammed for eternity are ones who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, which, from my understanding is a decision made in full understanding. Very few people will ever be granted the knowledge to make that decision IMHO.
The payment is death, which 1 second would qualify, that death was not justified, and death took a innocent man. The Father, for His own purpose, decided on 3 days, part of the reason IMHO would be 1 second would not be noticed, it need some time to convince everyone He was dead, but not too long that people would start forgetting and starting to re-invent His teachings.
Yes, I believe so (unless they committed the unforgivable sin).
So if those people can be forgiven, almost anyone can and what a awesome God we serve.
How nice to know that I have far superior moral standards than your god.
I don’t “serve” any god ( nor does anyone, really, since he’s fictional ). And forgiving monsters like that hardly makes him “awesome”.
My personal view is that it was as much of an eye-opening experience for God to be human as it was for humans to witness a human embodiment of God. I think it was a mutual learning experience.
Judas, who is defined by Jesus as a devil (note ‘devil’ not ‘demon’), was the one who handed Jesus over to the ruling authorities to be put to death The ruling authorities had no choice to put him to death as they were bound by rules placed on them to carry out the law.
[IMHO] God uses the devil’s lust for money to force the devil into handing Jesus over to be put to death. Jesus was sacrificed to death, or given over to death. Death can be also taken as Sheol, or the abode of the dead, so it can be though of that Jesus was exiled to Sheol. [/IMHO]
The Law is enacted by angels (Acts 7:53), who are lesser gods, not God , God is the mediator of the law. Angels are the rulers and powers of the world. God does not want us under the law at all, but wants us to follow our heart and be motivated by love, but since we worshiped other gods we fall under their ruling authority and they get to make up rules that we must follow or the angels can demand we pay the penalty.
So it was not just because God said it, but because man submitted to other gods, and those gods made the rules. The act of redemption includes the removal of all rules that can be written down, which is what God wants for us.
It’s not that God changed His mind, but I believe He created man for a specific purpose, that of (IMHO>) redemption of the children of the devil, and this is done through the nephlium.
It’s a case where God allowed man to fall to reach those trapped in death and deliver the message of salvation.
And how do you fit a non-omniscient God into your system of belief?
This is completely confusing. Are you saying that the angels and/or other gods decided that man should not eat of the Tree of Knowledge and condemned Adam and Eve after they did so? And that the Judeo-Chrisitian God had no control over this law? Because this obviously is not the mainstream Christian view.
And if you are saying that there are other gods that can make up rules and enact punishments then aren’t you saying that these gods are real? If so, then again you’re far outside the Christian mainstream. Where did these gods come from? Did they exist before the Judeo-Christian God created the rest of the universe? Did they have a hand in creating the universe and humanity? Did the Judeo-Christian God create these other gods?
That he was of course omniscient all along but having a long memory of all the other worlds in the Universe that He needs to keep tabs on, forgot.
Conveniently.
Omniscience can’t forget.
It is impossible for an 0mnisicent God to ever “learn” anything.
Then I believe in a flawed, busy God.
Us being the center of our own Universe, of course.
I’ve a question. As one sin can represent all sins, can one act of forgiveness represent all forgiveness? That is to say, if committing one sin is as bad as comitting all sins, is forgiving one sin as good as forgiving all sins?
Wow. I would think that murdering people would be among the unforgivable sins that could be committed. I’m sorry, but I can’t think of a less praise worthy entity than the thing many call god. In face, if it acutally existed, it would deserve nothing less than contempt for its evil, hateful ways.
In a sense, Jesus commited suicide! If a person can escape, but puts them selves in a situation where they are certain they will be killed(such as making sure a policeman shoots them) it is called suicide. The Bible tells of one time that Jesus knew they were coming for Him, He hid. So he could have stopped the killing at any time but chose the time He would be killed. He, according to the Bible, knew he would be back in 36 hours, so in reality it was no sacrifice at all. No soldier thinks if they are killed they will be back with their family in a couple of days, and Jesus was not in the tomb for 3 days, as it was just from Friday afternoon until early on Sunday morning.